FalconFN Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 The future of energy in this country is in diversity. We are a technologically capable country and should be developing new and improved ways of producing energy and exporting it world wide - UKIP would have us go back to the 70s by ignoring the future of energy. Wind power is just one of many methods of having sustainable energy in the future, along with tidal, solar, clean coal, hydro, nuclear, gas and possibly biomass, because fossil fuels ARE running out and burning them at an ever increasing rate is not a sensible answer. We should also be producing less CO2 per KW because there is evidence that small changes in CO2 have a large effect and there is evidence that the extra atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic. It is new science and not all of it will be correct, but the evidence suggests that: 1. We are running out of conventional fuels 2. The probable outcome of increasing CO2 in the atmosphere is climate change leading to war, famine and a slow economic death. For a government to pretend otherwise would see our country fall by the wayside whilst other, more forward thinking countries take the lead, and get the economic benefits of new energy technologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 For a government to pretend otherwise would see our country fall by the wayside whilst other, more forward thinking countries take the lead, and get the economic benefits of new energy technologies. What are those then? answers on a postcard please. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 What are those then? answers on a postcard please. KW Well he did say: Wind power is just one of many methods of having sustainable energy in the future, along with tidal, solar, clean coal, hydro, nuclear, gas and possibly biomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 What are those then? answers on a postcard please. KW Erm, if you read my post properly you will notice at the beginning I referred to our need to develop new and improved ways of producing energy. By their very nature these technologies are under development at present but to give you the idea I am taking about improved efficiency of existing turbines, new ways of extracting energy from fuels that are currently too expensive to use but in the future will become cost effective. UKIP funding cuts would have us spent that money on coal powered power stations to give us cheap energy in the short term. By the way 3.5 billion wont get us anywhere near 50% power from nuclear but 10 times that would probably be closer to the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 How anybody can find those hideous wind turbines attractive is beyond me? They are ineffective, unpredictable, a blight on the landscape and in the manufacture very high in carbon production. They have been built as a sop to the EU requirements for us to produce energy from "green" sources, the largely overseas based shareholders of the companies concerned are only in it for he subsidies. Lets just hope that they are reduced sufficiently to put a halt to the building of these ridiculous structures as soon as possible. I predict that the majority of "renewable energy" will come from tidal power, the potential energy in the tides is immense, their frequency and amplitude predictable. The day we have no more tides we won't be worrying about much else!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 It would be nice to see some self appointed experts in the Great Climate Change debate bend their great intellects to the problem not of producing ever increasing supplies of energy, "green" or otherwise, but to finding some other way to live. We are consuming everything in a headlong pelt towards our own extinction. There is ultimately no way to sustain a population that doubles every 60 years. All our technological inovations in energy, medicine and food production offer no solutions at all, they only accelerate the process of population expansion and of demand and consumption. We are pouring petrol on the fire. Mankind has developed a profoundly unnatural and destructive mode of existence. There is no future in it, and the real challenge is not finding ways to fuel this demented cycle, but finding some benign way to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 How anybody can find those hideous wind turbines attractive is beyond me? They are ineffective, unpredictable, a blight on the landscape and in the manufacture very high in carbon production. They have been built as a sop to the EU requirements for us to produce energy from "green" sources, the largely overseas based shareholders of the companies concerned are only in it for he subsidies. Lets just hope that they are reduced sufficiently to put a halt to the building of these ridiculous structures as soon as possible. I predict that the majority of "renewable energy" will come from tidal power, the potential energy in the tides is immense, their frequency and amplitude predictable. The day we have no more tides we won't be worrying about much else!!! just about right on wind the real answer for the future is fusion, but will we ever grow some to go for it? sadly we are to immersed in short term gain as opposed to long term need, till then fission and coal is the ONLY way . KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Development is useless without education, it's the only answer. Educated and developed countries tend to have steady and low population growth but developing countries have low education and high birth rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 just about right on wind the real answer for the future is fusion, but will we ever grow some to go for it? sadly we are to immersed in short term gain as opposed to long term need, till then fission and coal is the ONLY way . KW If you know a way of producing more energy from fusion that is required to create it then you need a Nobel prize! You are right about short term/long term thinking though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakari Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 UKIP will get my vote next time if only because the Lib/Lab/Cons conspiracy have just taken turns in stuffing things up whilst not making anything better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 If you know a way of producing more energy from fusion that is required to create it then you need a Nobel prize! You are right about short term/long term thinking though. I dont need too somebody is doing that it for us right NOW, four test reactors are up and running in the USA and this 15bn project below is coming along, fusion WILL be the answer in the not to distant future but that wont suit the back to the cave merchants http://www.iter.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Working reactors are at least 20 years off and probably more like 40. Lets hope the UK can contribute our know-how and be a part of the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I agree with Gimlet, we need to control population its the root cause of most problems in the world be it housing, money food, fuel or whatever. Less people less problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 You don't hear much about it, but the UN is already taking steps to tackle some of the points raised. It's called Agenda 21--check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Seems UKIP are okay with banning one side of the argument. They're not banning one side of the argument, they just want both sides presented in a balanced way, something which Al Gore's film fails to do. Wind power does not work. They are inefficient and don't work when there is too much or too little wind. And that's aside from the environmental damage they do. The large areas they excavate to fill with concrete and the access roads they build for them causes problems, especially on moors where they are replacing ecologically important peat. Then you have the damage during production. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350811/In-China-true-cost-Britains-clean-green-wind-power-experiment-Pollution-disastrous-scale.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) They're not banning one side of the argument, they just want both sides presented in a balanced way, something which Al Gore's film fails to do. Presenting both sides would be allowing Al Gores film And whatever film that counters it. Banning Al gores is pretty much the complete and utter opposite of allowing both sides in a balanced way, its banning one side! Its pathetic. "i'm going to allow both sides of the argument here, but if you oppose my side of the argument your banned" Great, "small Government" for ya, Edited April 3, 2013 by gazzthompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 It would be nice to see some self appointed experts in the Great Climate Change debate bend their great intellects to the problem not of producing ever increasing supplies of energy, "green" or otherwise, but to finding some other way to live. We are consuming everything in a headlong pelt towards our own extinction. There is ultimately no way to sustain a population that doubles every 60 years. All our technological inovations in energy, medicine and food production offer no solutions at all, they only accelerate the process of population expansion and of demand and consumption. We are pouring petrol on the fire. Mankind has developed a profoundly unnatural and destructive mode of existence. There is no future in it, and the real challenge is not finding ways to fuel this demented cycle, but finding some benign way to stop it. There is no benign way to stop population increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 In this country? what about benefits for upto 2 children seems a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 There is no benign way to stop population increase. OK then, forget the benign bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 OK then, forget the benign bit. Well if we ignore our involvement in climate change then war, famine and disease will do the rest. Doesn't sound much fun though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Well if we ignore our involvement in climate change then war, famine and disease will do the rest. Doesn't sound much fun though. These seem to work for the rest of the animal kindom. For war, read predation/culling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Well if we ignore our involvement in climate change then war, famine and disease will do the rest. Doesn't sound much fun though. These seem to work for the rest of the animal kindom. For war, read predation/culling. The problem is mankind has become adept at disabling these natural controls. That is why we are in the mess we are. When animals over-populate they die of disease or starvation. What they don't do is industrialise the landscape and render it sterile, so it quickly recovers. We do and though nature will unquestionably catch up with us in the end the damage we will do in the meantime is just beyond comprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) UKIP have released an election/campaign broadcast for the local elections. Thoughts? Edited April 16, 2013 by Reece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Croc Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Ive voted Ukip for years, I hope the predictions are true that they are going to make a breakthrough in these elections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 They are getting my vote... Regards Willow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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