Sprackles Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 After being given the go ahead from the Farmer to apply for my FAC, got referees sorted and all was going well until in a casual chat with one of them, a lady from a respectable family, brother is a local councillor and rest of the family own several long standing businesses in the area, it turns out she got a caution a few years ago. Story goes that she was in a pub minding her own business ( her brothers business) when some trouble kicked off which she soon found herself in the middle of. She ended up getting arrested...driven around for a bit then taken to the station where she was de-arrested and sent on her way with a caution. Now I have read and re read the sagas of is a caution a conviction for application purposes but this as far as I can see is a new one ( I couldn't find it in any other threads). I suppose the real clincher would be whether the caution was an official recorded one as opposed to an unofficial "we've got enough bother tonight without you" off you go type as it was New Years Eve. She doesn't know I will say I am going to call my local FEO today for his opinion but thought it might be fun to let you lot argue over it until I am told by him.I will let you know the outcome later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Simplest answer is speak to the feo there are no real set in concrete rules on this and will depend what is in her file so to speak. If its not acceptable you just get a different referee, though personally to keep things simple I'd do that anuway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo23 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) My referee had been in prison as a young teen, But he's turned his life around owns a successful business and own guns him self (had to apeel, as first application was refused), so I doubt your referee's cation should hinder your chance. Edited May 17, 2013 by buckaroo23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I will get another one if needed...I just want to spare her embarrassment if I have to tell her she's not suitable.She really is the most unlikely person to have been involved in anything...its only because I'm such a good friend... ....that she opened up to me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 A caution is not a criminal conviction, but it could be used as evidence of bad character if you go to court for another crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I still have not called my FEO yet David, the exact wording refers to being of good character so I suppose an individual force could interpret that differently. If a caution is not a conviction then technically I suppose you could say she was still of good character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 OK....well just called and FEO said as far as they were concerned (Humberside)...a caution is NOT a conviction and will pose no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Happy days, I know we all like to get the PW members veiws on things, but if it is FAC or SGC related just speak to your FEO !!!!!!!!! What FAC rife/shotgun are you after mate? ATB Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Glad thats sorted, thanks for the feedback! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Flynny, had my SGC for nigh on 30 years, its my FAC this time around. I share my permission with V8 90 on here..who I will add got me the permission in the first place through PW,..top bloke Permission will be for the usual rabbits, foxes etc so I would say going for 17 HMR. Not sure if I will need a .22 to be honest and don't know if they will go with a .223 on first grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axeman1984 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 It's funny you should bring this up, now this shows how every area works totally differently, I've just got my FAC and one of my referees was deemed unsuitable because he was cautioned for possession of Cannabis 15 years ago! he now holds a shotgun certificate himself, but that was the constabularys view that he was unsuitable and I had to get a 3rd referee, so youd think that my area are pretty strict right? now here's another example I got an open ticket straight off! Which people on here said was nearly unheard of, so it just goes to show that they all run with a different set of rules... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Flynny, had my SGC for nigh on 30 years, its my FAC this time around. I share my permission with V8 90 on here..who I will add got me the permission in the first place through PW,..top bloke Permission will be for the usual rabbits, foxes etc so I would say going for 17 HMR. Not sure if I will need a .22 to be honest and don't know if they will go with a .223 on first grant. Apply for them all mate it saves putting in variations at a later date, fox and rabbit are a good enough reason to get the 17 the 22 and the 223. You don't have to purchase them all at once, unless you want to!!!!!!!!! Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 why did she take a caution in the first place??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 North Wales FEO will not accept referees who have had a caution in their past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted May 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 why did she take a caution in the first place??? Few years ago now mate and I can only assume it was that she saw it as not being taken to court.....most on here would not accept a caution but to the general public with no SGC/FAC to lose its an easy option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincs1963 Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Hey Sprackles, nice to see someone else from my neck of the woods (Grimsby) on here. Do you belong to any shooting clubs? I think quite a number of members on here go to North Coates Butts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 One of mine had a couple of convictions 15-20 years back but is now a succsessfull business owner, never got mentioned all went through ok with merseyside. Typical each force doing different things lol!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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