BASC welcomes police intent to remove unnecessary FAC conditions

[fieldwanderer]

 

Has anyone a list of the lawful species so i can itemise every single one that is lawful for each rifle and ask Glos firearms licencing to put every one on my FAC.

Google the guidelines for police, sorry cant remember what it's called "firearms guidance for police" or something like that, it's a PDF and takes a bit of reading. There's a chart in there with a suggested quarry vs caliber. Hope that helps

[CharlieT]

 

Has anyone a list of the lawful species so i can itemise every single one that is lawful for each rifle and ask Glos firearms licencing to put every one on my FAC.

To my knowledge there is no published list.

 

However, to help you compile the list. All birds are protected, only those listed on the General License may be shot under it's terms and of course game birds, and ducks and geese which are not protected.

 

All mammals can be shot except those which are protected. The wildlife and Countryside Act will list those that are protected.

 

Good luck with your project, that should make them stare !!

 

Charlie

[Dekers]

To my knowledge there is no published list.

 

However, to help you compile the list. All birds are protected, only those listed on the General License may be shot under it's terms and of course game birds, and ducks and geese which are not protected.

 

All mammals can be shot except those which are protected. The wildlife and Countryside Act will list those that are protected.

 

Good luck with your project, that should make them stare !!

 

Charlie

 

 

I don't know of a definitive list either!

[Greenhunter]

Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me could compile a list along with what is generally legal to shoot it with.

Could be a sticky for future reference.

 

GH

[CharlieT]

Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me could compile a list along with what is generally legal to shoot it with.

Could be a sticky for future reference.

 

GH

I've said how to do it at post 77.

 

Just look at the WCA. I'ts all listed there.

 

Schedule 2 part 1 for birds which may be killed and Schedule 5 & 6 for animals which can not be killed. Also see Schedule 7

 

General License for birds which may be killed.

 

If you need to make a list..................kick on but all the info you need is written there.

[Vince Green]

My favourite FAC contition being discussed on another forum at the moment is:-

"can only be carried when proceeding to or returning from a port of embarkation, it shall not be fired in the UK"

It is a S1 firearm so I assume the firearm is for large game abroad, but how exactly is the owner supposed to collect his new purchase from the RFD

Or sight it in which is a legal activity for any rifle, even a big game calibre. Testing ammunition etc

 

Anyway, its not their business. Once they have decided you are a fit person their job is over. You are allowed to go about your 'legal business'

[JonathanL]

My favourite FAC contition being discussed on another forum at the moment is:-

"can only be carried when proceeding to or returning from a port of embarkation, it shall not be fired in the UK"

It is a S1 firearm so I assume the firearm is for large game abroad, but how exactly is the owner supposed to collect his new purchase from the RFD

 

I can only assume that it's intended for people who store their rifles with an RFD and only use them abroad. It's still a mad condition because if the person doesn't have facilities for secure storage then why not just put "Shall be stored at XYZ RFD while in the UK". I think that situation will be fantastically rare though and most people with that condition will be storing them at home, often with other guns and the police know they will be when they append that condtion to their FAC. That being the case, the condition may well be Wednesbury Unreasonable, as being something that no reasonable person or body would ever decide to apply after a reasonable assessment of the facts. It can't be for the reasons you state - namely that you couldn't even carry the rifle home without being in breach of the condition for which you could, in theory, be sentenced to six months in prison.

 

Going a step further, you might even have grounds for a section 44 appeal. Section 44 appeals do not apply to conditions applied to FAC's, and there is precident to support that, but that condition is so restrictive and unreasonable(in my opinion) that you could probably arge that it is, in fact, a constructive refusal to grant the certificate as you could not lawfully even take the rifle home.

 

In addition, I utterly fail to see the need for the "shall not be fired in the UK" part. What difference does it make as long as you fire it in a lawful manner? Indeed, that in its self is probably unreasonable as I don't see how it can be considered reasonable that you be prevented from practising with and testing a rifle that you are going to be shooting animals with, espcially as you may be going after animals which pose a tad greater risk to you and your party than a UK Roe deer or fox!

 

Going off on a bit of a tangent and back to a discussion we had some weeks back; this is one of those conditions where they feel the ned to use the word "only". Based on the arguments people were putting forward on a previous thread, surely they only need to say "Shall be carried when proceeding to or returning from a port of embarkation,.." as that, according to most people, is sufficient to restrict the use of the rifle to only that one thing - ie; travelling between ports of embarkation and arrival? If the words "Shall be used for target shooting, etc" or "Shall be used for the lawful shooting of deer, etc" restricts the use only to those things then why does the word "only" need to be used in this instance? Makes no sense unless the last two conditions do not, in fact, restrict you to doing only those things.

 

 

J.

Edited June 5, 2013 by JonathanL