colin lad Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 when i got my triple i put on my ticket buy 80 hold 100 as i didn't think i would use it much but now i have started to reload do i notify feo and ask them to change it as the bullet heads come in box's of 100 ?? also my rfd don't put them on my ticket he just looks to see i have said caliber and it's expanding ammo colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 I was told there is no law as such to enter your components or your created rounds on your ticket . but to keep a reloading table of what gos in and out to help with renewals and variations as your ticket would appear blank if you only reloaded non licensed rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Yes you need to up the amount, a bullet head is equivelant to a loaded round, remember that you may use several differant bullets so ask accordingly, I have 600 for my 243 and 400 for my 308. Once you have found something that shoots well makes sure you have plenty of them, at least a few hundred as supplys are a bit unpredictable at the moment. PS I have been reloading for about three years now and have bought bullet heads from many sources and they have always been entered on my ticket. Edited May 24, 2013 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted May 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Yes you need to up the amount, a bullet head is equivelant to a loaded round, remember that you may use several differant bullets so ask accordingly, I have 600 for my 243 and 400 for my 308. Once you have found something that shoots well makes sure you have plenty of them, at least a few hundred as supplys are a bit unpredictable at the moment. do i need to send license back with a covering letter ? colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 I was told there is no law as such to enter your components or your created rounds on your ticket . but to keep a reloading table of what gos in and out to help with renewals and variations as your ticket would appear blank if you only reloaded non licensed rounds. My ammunition purchase bit is relativley clear apart from 22lr even though i have a four centrefires,but is because i reload them all.I dont bother keeping a record and all your FEO does is simply mark you as being a homeloader.Simples! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) do i need to send license back with a covering letter ? colin Yes i had to do mine for 1 cal its a veriation form Every place i have bought bullets from wright them on my ticket and i can only buy the ammount thats on my ticket unless it target ammo Edited May 24, 2013 by pestcontrol1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Chaps Its a Bullet, not a bullet head. Just get back to your region and ask them to up your numbers, it free change, not a paid variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 do i need to send license back with a covering letter ? colin You have to fill in the 101 form again and a covering letter with your license, altering ammo amount is free as its not a variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Chaps Its a Bullet, not a bullet head. Just get back to your region and ask them to up your numbers, it free change, not a paid variation. Whenever John Wayne ran out of bullets I'm sure he wasnt just refering to the bits in the end, bullet head is sort of more explanitory I think but technically I'm sure your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Depends where you live, in west yorks the bullet alone is classed as a round from your 100 allowance but in GMP only a made up round counts, so in GMP you buy 500 expanding billets and as long as you don't load more than 100 then your fine. In west yorks you would be over by 400! Edited May 24, 2013 by Peskyfoxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfiddler Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Only completed bullets count, you have have 1000 heads & primers as long as you don't load more than your allowance to store your legal. I had the same ? A few weeks ago & asked feo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 Only completed bullets count, you have have 1000 heads & primers as long as you don't load more than your allowance to store your legal. I had the same ? A few weeks ago & asked feo. Not correct, it depends where you live, been on to firearms dept and asked BASC on this, ridiculous I know bit a single expanding bullet can be classed as a complete round in some force areas, hence why some rfd's log on your cert and done don't. Ask your feo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) Not correct, it depends where you live, been on to firearms dept and asked BASC on this, ridiculous I know bit a single expanding bullet can be classed as a complete round in some force areas, hence why some rfd's log on your cert and done don't. Ask your feo I don't reload so I'm not well up in this field, but I can't believe it depends where you live, somewhere the legal definition of a bullet or cartridge must be made. Regions can make their own rules as we know but they can't change a legal definition of a bullet/cartridge! Edited May 25, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 If you walk into an rdf and ask for 200 bullets for reloading and your cert says buy 100 they won't sell them, applies to expanding only though, yet I go to Cheshire guns and they will sell me 1000 and not record on ticket .. Not that I would obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 think the confusion here is the crazy differance in law between target ammo and expanding ammo. Pretty sure you will not want to find out what the law is when an feo happens to check your cabinet. If in doupt ring your FEO but you will need to raise your allowance if you want to hold more expanding bullets for sure so just do it and be on the safe side. Sometimes I'm in disbelief at some of the advice offered on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) As far as I can see its not an actual requirement to have expanding bullets entered on your certificate and the quantity issue is a bit vague but it seems to have evolved into normal practice these days more by stealth than anything else. It never ceases to amaze me how quick some RFDs are to jump on bandwagons that don't exist. Eventually it will develop that some idiot will start wanting to do it for FMJs "just to be on the safe side" My friend in Wales and his group now shoot foxes with FMJs because they can't be bothered to drive 120miles round trip to buy one box at a time. As redgum says, the difference is ridiculous. They can buy as many FMJs as they want by mail order. Edited May 25, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 An expanding bullet is, strictly speaking, ammunition in its self so the hold/purchase limits on your cert would apply. Also, because they are ammunition they should actually be entered on the ammunition table on your cert whenever you purchase any. It makes no difference where you live as the law applies everywhere. Lots of forces don't mind if they aren't written on the cert though. You need the amounts on your cert increased. Some forces will allow you to do this with a simple letter, others require that you fill out the full form. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 I was told there is no law as such to enter your components or your created rounds on your ticket . As above, strictly speaking there is because an expnding bullet has the same legal standing as a round of ammo. No other components are subject to the need for a cert to possess or acquire although primers require you to show a certificate. As to entering the ammo you have reloaded ammo on to your ticket. I suppose that, again, strictly speaking you should do as you 'acquired it' when you loaded it, did you not. Having said that, I have been reloading for over 20 years and have never once entered reloaded ammo on my certificate. To do so would be a pointless exercise as there is no one checking what you put there. You could intentionally increase or decrease the amounts according what was most advntageous and no one would ever know. Moreover, there is absolutely no benefit to public safety in doing it. Back in the pistol shooting days I easily went though 5k+ rounds a year and I wasn't a particularly prolific shooter in the great scheme of things. My local licensing department would have collapsed under the weight of replacing peoples tickets if everyone wrote every round of reloaded ammo onto their certificates. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Chaps Its a Bullet, not a bullet head. Just get back to your region and ask them to up your numbers, it free change, not a paid variation. Absolutely correct, sir. The phrase 'bullet head' is one of my pet hates. I've never seen it used anywhere else other than the UK, for some reason. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Absolutely correct, sir. The phrase 'bullet head' is one of my pet hates. I've never seen it used anywhere else other than the UK, for some reason. J. John Wayne wasnt british was he , correct term or not I think it explains to the less experienced what bit your are referring to as many think a bullet is the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) John Wayne wasnt british was he , correct term or not I think it explains to the less experienced what bit your are referring to as many think a bullet is the whole thing. Point, but inventing a new incorrect term to balance an existing incorrect belief is the wrong way to go, in my opinion. Better simply to educate people into using the correct terminology to start with. J. Edited May 27, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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