Cabinet Requried?

[J@mes]

Hi, this is my first post so be gentle

 

My girlfriend and I are seriously looking into clay shooting as a hobby we can both do together. As we are looking to do it longterm, we would like to have our SGC, our own guns and keep them at home.

 

The problem is that with the house being brandnew and in a terrace, there isnt anywhere that we could secure a cabinet - we cant interfere with the structure or internal walls of the house as this would invalidate the warranty on the house.

 

Having looked at the Home Office Firearms Guidance document, Page 105, paragraph 19.5 states:

 

"Forces should note that while the requirement to keep firearms securely is statutory, there are no statutory provisions for how this duty should be discharged"

 

The house is in a safe area, which is well lit and covered by neighbourhood watch. The doors and windows are UPVC and therefore meet current standards for crime prevention, and we have an insurance approved alarm which covers all access points into the house. The house is 3 floors.

 

We would look at keeping the guns in a cabinet or locked box, but there is nowhere that we can anchor it to a brick wall or floor. I have also been told (by a SGC holder i work with) that the guns can be broken up and stored in seperate parts of the house.

 

Does anyone have any advice or other information on this? What are the chances of being granted a SGC under these conditions?

 

Thanks for any information that you can offer

 

James

[beatingisbest]

Hi, this is my first post so be gentle

 

My girlfriend and I are seriously looking into clay shooting as a hobby we can both do together. As we are looking to do it longterm, we would like to have our SGC, our own guns and keep them at home.

 

The problem is that with the house being brandnew and in a terrace, there isnt anywhere that we could secure a cabinet - we cant interfere with the structure or internal walls of the house as this would invalidate the warranty on the house.

 

Having looked at the Home Office Firearms Guidance document, Page 105, paragraph 19.5 states:

 

"Forces should note that while the requirement to keep firearms securely is statutory, there are no statutory provisions for how this duty should be discharged"

 

The house is in a safe area, which is well lit and covered by neighbourhood watch. The doors and windows are UPVC and therefore meet current standards for crime prevention, and we have an insurance approved alarm which covers all access points into the house. The house is 3 floors.

 

We would look at keeping the guns in a cabinet or locked box, but there is nowhere that we can anchor it to a brick wall or floor. I have also been told (by a SGC holder i work with) that the guns can be broken up and stored in seperate parts of the house.

 

Does anyone have any advice or other information on this? What are the chances of being granted a SGC under these conditions?

 

Thanks for any information that you can offer

 

James

 

correct me if im wrong but i dont think that you can have a licence granted if you intend to break the gun up and put the parts around the house, something you could do however is ask the licence holder if you could store the guns at his house. How long left of the warranty?

[J@mes]

9 years and 6 months on the warranty

 

 

The bloke i work with lives nearly 30 miles away and I wouldnt be shooting with him anyway as he doesnt do clays, he goes on shoots that i cant afford

 

Would a locked cabinet in the loft (but not secured) be suitable, bearing in mind the other security features of the house? (alarm, neighbourhood watch, latest spec secure windows and doors, safe area, guns out of sight, all doors overlooked by neighbours)

 

Thanks.

[ChrisNicholls]

I am not too sure if I am reading this right but does the terms of your warranty on the house state you can't drill holes in the walls?. That is just about all that is required to install a gun cabinet, you drill holes in the wall to take rawlbolts or other suitable fixings to secure the cabinet.

What happens if you want to fix a mirror to the bathroom wall or put up a few shelves, would that invalidate your warranty as well?

[Devon Fox]

I would be shocked if putting a cabinet in would affect you waranty, afterall the fixings are only a little bit heavier duty than kitchen/shelf fittings?

 

Is your loft floored?, could you floor it and anchor it flat to the floor?, mine is fitted in the loft to the wall.

 

I would be pretty sure a licence wouldnt be granted with out a secure approved cabinet.

[J@mes]

All the walls are plasterboard, except for the ones on the front and rear of the house which are brick behind plasterboard. I assume these are no good for a cabinet as they are not out of view, and i dont think that rawlbolts into plasterboard is going to be considered a suitable anchor. (or would it??) We also dont want the cabinet in what will be (eventually) a childs bedroom

 

so yes, we can fit a mirror etc, but that doesnt need to be fixed to brick in order to stop someone stealing it.

[ChrisNicholls]

All the walls are plasterboard, except for the ones on the front and rear of the house which are brick behind plasterboard. I assume these are no good for a cabinet as they are not out of view, and i dont think that rawlbolts into plasterboard is going to be considered a suitable anchor. (or would it??) We also dont want the cabinet in what will be (eventually) a childs bedroom

 

so yes, we can fit a mirror etc, but that doesnt need to be fixed to brick in order to stop someone stealing it.

 

What, even the party walls between you and your neighbours?

 

These can't be made of timber and plasterboard, they would 9" brickwork or blockwork at the very least, the authorities wouldn't allow anything less because of the risk of fire spreading to neighbouring properties. Your internal walls (stud partitions) are more than likely timber and plasterboard and they would be probably unsuitable to anchor a cabinet to.

 

A good place to put one is in the attic anchored to the party wall, I have mine in the attic and the firearms guy was more than happy with the arrangements.

[J@mes]

I suppose the wall in the loft would be suitable - between us and the neighbours as i am pretty sure that is blocks (only been up there once)

 

Was there no issue with ease of access for the cabinet, as i read that the inspectors worry about people not storing the guns straight away.

[Devon Fox]

Well i have guns of various calibers and they are all situated in the loft with out any issue's from the flo.

 

Thats is what i meant by the way with loft flooring, not sure if that would be a go'er or not?

 

The best bit of advice would be to contact the firearms officer, get them to come out and help you choose an acceptable place.

[beatingisbest]

might it be a bit tricky to get the cabinet in the loft? My cabinet weighed about 60kgs

[Devon Fox]

Got a 5 gun and a 3 gun in my loft ..... wasnt easy though,oh, and measure the hatch wont you!

[MC]

Try and find the studs in the wall and fix to those. If you are going to be permanent then gripfill it to the wall as well. That ain't going anywhere after that.

[suggs]

Hi mate

 

i too have a new house although its just out of the warrenty, you should find any walls between your property and next door will be cavity construction, theres will be plasterboard dot and dabed onto concrete block which then has a cavity and then block again. you can fix the safe through the plasterboard and into the cavity blockwork. you can use a two part chemical fixing, bascily stand the safe in position and mark fixing holes, you then drill through the plasterboard and into the cavity, you then pump the chemical into the hole with a mastic/silicone applicator gun (very easy) then place some steel threaded rods into the holes and leave to set ( make sure there not sticking out to far when the safe goes on, just enough to get the bolts on and done up ). once set fit the safe and bolt up, chemicaly fixing is very strong and you would need a kango to get the rods out from the cavity blockwork, i have mine fixed in this way in my bedroom and was told to use the chemical fixing by my FLO.

 

 

im in the building trade and i cant see this effecting your warrenty in anyway, its only drilling a few holes and not making any structual changes to the propery, no different to say fitting a kitchen unit..

 

 

cheers

H

[plexer]

As has just been said above the whole wall between you and your neighbour should be block work it's just that you can see it in the loft as there is no plasterboard facing it.

 

Otherwise a strong couple of battern or better still steel straps screwed horizontaly between 2 studs and then your cabinet fixed to the metal strap would be strong enough.

 

Ben

[markbivvy]

Hi, this is my first post so be gentle

 

My girlfriend and I are seriously looking into clay shooting as a hobby we can both do together. As we are looking to do it longterm, we would like to have our SGC, our own guns and keep them at home.

 

The problem is that with the house being brandnew and in a terrace, there isnt anywhere that we could secure a cabinet - we cant interfere with the structure or internal walls of the house as this would invalidate the warranty on the house.

 

Having looked at the Home Office Firearms Guidance document, Page 105, paragraph 19.5 states:

 

"Forces should note that while the requirement to keep firearms securely is statutory, there are no statutory provisions for how this duty should be discharged"

 

The house is in a safe area, which is well lit and covered by neighbourhood watch. The doors and windows are UPVC and therefore meet current standards for crime prevention, and we have an insurance approved alarm which covers all access points into the house. The house is 3 floors.

 

We would look at keeping the guns in a cabinet or locked box, but there is nowhere that we can anchor it to a brick wall or floor. I have also been told (by a SGC holder i work with) that the guns can be broken up and stored in seperate parts of the house.

 

Does anyone have any advice or other information on this? What are the chances of being granted a SGC under these conditions?

 

Thanks for any information that you can offer

 

James

 

paul hart is the man you want, and he will give you all the advise you need on fixing. look him up on here.

[hawkeye]

Hi, this is my first post so be gentle

 

My girlfriend and I are seriously looking into clay shooting as a hobby we can both do together. As we are looking to do it longterm, we would like to have our SGC, our own guns and keep them at home.

 

The problem is that with the house being brandnew and in a terrace, there isnt anywhere that we could secure a cabinet - we cant interfere with the structure or internal walls of the house as this would invalidate the warranty on the house.

 

Having looked at the Home Office Firearms Guidance document, Page 105, paragraph 19.5 states:

 

"Forces should note that while the requirement to keep firearms securely is statutory, there are no statutory provisions for how this duty should be discharged"

 

The house is in a safe area, which is well lit and covered by neighbourhood watch. The doors and windows are UPVC and therefore meet current standards for crime prevention, and we have an insurance approved alarm which covers all access points into the house. The house is 3 floors.

 

We would look at keeping the guns in a cabinet or locked box, but there is nowhere that we can anchor it to a brick wall or floor. I have also been told (by a SGC holder i work with) that the guns can be broken up and stored in seperate parts of the house.

 

Does anyone have any advice or other information on this? What are the chances of being granted a SGC under these conditions?

 

Thanks for any information that you can offer

 

James

 

paul hart is the man you want, and he will give you all the advise you need on fixing. look him up on here.

 

 

 

Dont you mean the magician

[J@mes]

Just realised this is probably in the wrong section

 

Thanks for the replies guys, appreciate you taking the time to sort me out! Filled in my forms today, just need to think about who is going to countersign for me

[suggs]

Just realised this is probably in the wrong section

 

Thanks for the replies guys, appreciate you taking the time to sort me out! Filled in my forms today, just need to think about who is going to countersign for me

 

 

i was told that anyone that new me well and lived at a different address could co-sign, they have relaxed the criteria on that part of the application now..

 

H

[Mungler]

Bolt it to the floor - watch out for pipes though.

[Bradders]

This might be too late to add any value but I had a similar problem at my previous house, not the fact I couldnt alter it but the fact that I had trouble finding a suitably solid wall to mount the cabinet to that was out of sight to the casual visitor. I didnt want to use the loft, not enough room to move about without cracking your head on something.

 

All the floors on the ground floor were concrete screeding so I bought a 2 gun breakdown cabinet and installed it horizontally and fixed the back of it to the concrete floor in the copboard under the stairs.

 

No problems with the FO and it worked for me.

 

Good luck.....

[J@mes]

Thanks for the replies, cabinet will go on the party wall between us and the neighbours and i will board out the loft for access and supplementary fixing for the base of the cabinet.

 

As for the countersignature, would another SGC holder that i have worked with for 5 years (and used to be an apprentice under) be suitable?

 

[Lucky]

Thanks for the replies, cabinet will go on the party wall between us and the neighbours and i will board out the loft for access and supplementary fixing for the base of the cabinet.

 

As for the countersignature, would another SGC holder that i have worked with for 5 years (and used to be an apprentice under) be suitable?

My neighbour who is a SGC holder and has known me years signed mine with no problems

 

Colin

[J@mes]

Thanks Colin.

 

Next question:

 

Do you have to declare ALL driving convictions as in speeding tickets?

 

As section 14 of the Application (under notes) says "you are not entitled to withold information about any offence. This includes motoring convictions"

 

Wasnt sure weather they meant drink driving level offences, or EVERYTHING!

[Mungler]

It means everything.

 

They will know if you have been naughty but want to see if you can tell the truth. If you read the small print on the application it says that the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (which deals with spent convictions) does not apply.

[njc110381]

Declare everything, they know anyway so if you're not honest you'll have a load of grief over it! I don't think another SGC holder is allowed, but as he is your boss/supervisor aswell, it will be ok I should think. Good luck with the application