crazyfrog Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 This is a article in the Daily Record this morning by Chris Clements. I will type is as when they are sometimes scanned the quality is harder to read, the article is as follows: A CONSULTATION on proposed licensing laws for air weapons has been skewed by gun lobbyists. Around 87 per cent of people who responded to the Scottish Government survey were against air gun controls. But almost 60 per cent of responses came from England - around a fifth were cut-out coupons from a shooting magazine. The family of two-year-old Andrew Morton - who died in 2005 after he was shot in the head by air rifle thug Mark Bonini, 28 - have backed licensing proposals all the way. And yesterday, Andrew's dad Andy, 38, urged ministers to push ahead with tougher laws. He said: "The laws won't get derailed and I would ignore those responses anyway. "we're not against gun clubs, farmers or pest-control people having air rifles - we just want them off the streets so that other children are safe from what happened to Andrew. "But these people don't seem to be listening when we tell them that. "I don't want people to have rifles lying about their house without licenses. If they want to use them, they can go to gun clubs where they are kept under lock and key. "I get a lot of emails from people saying, "Bricks kill people, sticks kills people, motors kills people and you don't see them getting banned". "But that's just your typical response. They think we're trying to stop their sport when I can assure you we're not. "I'm still hopeful that there is going to be licensing. I Think it's going to happen anyway. Of 1101 people who responded to the consultation, the vast majority opposed air gun licensing laws - but only a minority provided reasons for their opposition. Many declined to answer consultation questions at all or responded with short statements such as "I disagree". Analysts said the majority of responses - especially those sent via magazine coupons - shouldn't be regarded as representative of the views of the public. And Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill said he aims to press ahead with licensing laws to take "potentially lethal weapons out of the hands of those who would misuse them". He added: "We have always been clear that licensing will happen. It is simply not right that in a modern Scotland air guns are available without a licence. That is the end of the article........... Now my views are that the Daily Record is clearly biased as is the SNP, I will no longer buy this paper, and will definitely not be voting for SNP or a devolved Scotland..... As for the issue of a consultation, why even have it in the first place if it has already been decided..... How can this article try and get the various figures ignored, I thought we were all part of the UK, so why can't England represent their views, after all they can visit Scotland like anyone else.... Is the figure of 1101 correct, how many were disallowed for technicalities etc.. We all know that the current laws allow law breakers to be dealt with so why create such a useless system that will clearly not work..... At the moment as you all know if you wish to purchase a air rifle from a RFD you have to produce two forms of ID.... Under the new scheme you may well still have to produce two forms of ID, but you will not be obliged to produce your AIR WEAPON LICENCE to the RFD to purchase the rifle, you will be able to walk out the door with a AIR RIFLE LICENCE ok you will commit a offence, but if they are changing the laws get it right..... Also Rear Garden Plinking is out, we have all learned the basics in the back garden, I have metal pellet catchers and a VERY large back stop.... Lastly This Muppet ANDY MORTON the father of the young lad tragically killed said that "WE CAN ALL GO TO GUN CLUBS"..... Absolute rubbish, yes I have the privilege of a couple of permissions and I am a member of a couple of clubs, but not everyone has that facility.... I am the Secretary of a Smallbore Club, we for one could not cope with a massive influx of members, I am also the member of a Air Rifle Club, again I know that they would not cope with many more members... So where are all these magic clubs that all the 500,000 shooters can go to ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I wrote to Kenny MacAskill, about the changes proposed to firearms licencing in Scotland, using the contact form on his website. He never replied or even acknowledged my letter. They'll do what they like so make sure you use your vote at any elections! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 The CORRECT title for the father of the toddler shot should be Andy "my son was shot with my own airgun by my drug dealer while at my house delivering some illegal drugs to fuel my own and my sons mothers drug habit" Morton Not sure WHY he thinks that the streets are awash with dangerous airguns - or maybe he never questioned the script he was given to read.He also seems to be of the opinion that ANY new laws will instantly lead to 100% compliance - just as the laws that made the drugs he & his partner were (are?) on & the same illegal drugs that Mark Bonini was selling them also illegal....but maybe as HE "needs" these illegal drugs it is ok for him to cherry pick what legislation he agrees to as long as his lifestyle is not compromised.... WHAT deal did the authorities make with this scumbag to have him act as the tragic victim/mouthpiece to feed the media demand for an angle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 The CORRECT title for the father of the toddler shot should be Andy "my son was shot with my own airgun by my drug dealer while at my house delivering some illegal drugs to fuel my own and my sons mothers drug habit" Morton Not sure WHY he thinks that the streets are awash with dangerous airguns - or maybe he never questioned the script he was given to read. He also seems to be of the opinion that ANY new laws will instantly lead to 100% compliance - just as the laws that made the drugs he & his partner were (are?) on & the same illegal drugs that Mark Bonini was selling them also illegal....but maybe as HE "needs" these illegal drugs it is ok for him to cherry pick what legislation he agrees to as long as his lifestyle is not compromised.... WHAT deal did the authorities make with this scumbag to have him act as the tragic victim/mouthpiece to feed the media demand for an angle? So let me get this right.....this junkie's own airgun was used to kill the lad, shot by a dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 So let me get this right.....this junkie's own airgun was used to kill the lad, shot by a dealer CORRECT It's amazing the facts that the establishment choose to ignore when it suits them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Thanks saddler, I had no idea of the truth behind this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfrog Posted July 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I wrote to Kenny MacAskill, about the changes proposed to firearms licencing in Scotland, using the contact form on his website. He never replied or even acknowledged my letter. They'll do what they like so make sure you use your vote at any elections! I also wrote to him without reply, however I have written to almost all elected persons in my area, I slated Ma****skill in a letter to another MP and she forwarded onto him, he had the decency to reply to that one, but he basically said that tough SHI* legislation is going through whether you like it or not... Why consult when they are doing it anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfrog Posted July 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Thanks saddler, I had no idea of the truth behind this ! Yes the info saddler posted is correct, but the powers to be choose to ignore this and report the **** that they think will get them more votes with the tree huggers.. The bit that sticks in my throat is the fact that both the government and the media choose to promote what they want and hide the other facts and we as the legal firearms owners are going to suffer yet again...... I for one and as many as my family and friends as I can get to do it will be voting NO to a devolved Scotland and also I will be voting the SNP out at the next election, don't get me wrong the tories are not getting my vote either, but SNP can go and shove it where the sun don't shine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Why exactly does it matter that people responded to the consultation following its promotion in shooting magazines? The consultation asked for people's opinions and that is exactly what people did, and the Scottish government confirmed that people from England could respond as well. Perhaps they would prefer it if all the pro-gun responses were torn up and binned? Is that their idea of democracy? Might be worth a letter to the paper. Edited July 20, 2013 by Reece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 It's not like the scrotes, that are causing the problems, would get a bloody licence anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 CORRECT It's amazing the facts that the establishment choose to ignore when it suits them... Jon can you provide links please...i've had a quick look online and can't that info. TVM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Yes the info saddler posted is correct, but the powers to be choose to ignore this and report the **** that they think will get them more votes with the tree huggers.. The bit that sticks in my throat is the fact that both the government and the media choose to promote what they want and hide the other facts and we as the legal firearms owners are going to suffer yet again...... I for one and as many as my family and friends as I can get to do it will be voting NO to a devolved Scotland and also I will be voting the SNP out at the next election, don't get me wrong the tories are not getting my vote either, but SNP can go and shove it where the sun don't shine.... I also wrote to MacAskill(?spelling?) some time ago and received no response,but there again I was more than a little rude in my interpretation of just why he was fronting this cause and the exposure him and his career would get via the emotional tugging of heart-strings this particularly tragedy would evoke with the general public.I wasn't aware of the fact that it was the toddlers father who owned the rifle and the shooting took place during the trading of illegal drugs in his own home,and the politicians involvement in this,knowing the circumstances in which the kiddie was killed,leaves an even more sickening aftertaste.It makes me wonder how many people are aware fo the facts surrounding this case. It would be worth the time to write to Alex Salmond and tell him exactly why you and your family will be voting no to a devolved Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 This is the same Mckaskill that was found drunk in the streets of London at a Scotland game and kept in overnight for his own safety you know the one that says Scots can't handle drink. POT KETTLE ? Scotland is in dire straits the Tories are unellectable the labour party are more corrupt than the Roman Empire the Lib Dems don't even know who they are. The SNP are more interested in women playing GOLF I should have maybe ran as an independant candidate under the banner " Ask me a question and I'll give you a Straight Answer" They would'nt like that in the Scottish Parliament Scotland used to be a nation of fair minded sensible and practical people and we have been dismantled Whats next ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Jon can you provide links please...i've had a quick look online and can't that info. TVM. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4595962.stm http://www.thefreelibrary.com/AIR+REFLE+TRAGEDY+MUM+IS+A+DRUG+DEALER%3B+Parents+in+police+raid.-a0140694889 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4595962.stm http://www.thefreelibrary.com/AIR+REFLE+TRAGEDY+MUM+IS+A+DRUG+DEALER%3B+Parents+in+police+raid.-a0140694889 Sorry should made myself clearer...i meant the bit 'shot by gun owned by morton and from morton's house'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J.P. Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Could anyone provide links to supporting evidence regarding the possible involvement of the parents of Andrew Morton in his death - beyond that which was commonly reported? That is, that Andrew was shot by Mark Bonini, from Bonini's own flat window, using his own air rifle? I've tried searching myself but have been unable to turn up anything significant - if either saddler or crazyfrog could chime in I'd certainly appreciate it. Edited July 21, 2013 by A.J.P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) Could anyone provide links to supporting evidence regarding the possible involvement of the parents of Andrew Morton in his death - beyond that which was commonly reported? That is, that Andrew was shot by Mark Bonini, from Bonini's own flat window, using his own air rifle? I've tried searching myself but have been unable to turn up anything significant - if either saddler or crazyfrog could chime in I'd certainly appreciate it. PM sent Got the location wrong, but the gun WAS (or at least HAD BEEN previously) owned by the toddlers father - but Bonini was given it as part payment for a drug debt by him Edited July 24, 2013 by saddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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