kirky640 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 just been reading the sporting shooter and have been reading about the heavy handed armed police they have been going out and treating shooters like me and you like criminals its a sad country this is when a trained swat team cant tell the difference from a man enjoying a days sport in the countryside from a terrorist i ask you is this what its coming to??? cheers kirky :( Shut up you tart LB i love you 2 lad !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 sorry hunter it dont happen mate, they come team handed, if you have phoned or not. they stopped 3 off use one evening in rush hour traffic. 3 arv,s 4 cop cars and a ambulance on stand by. this if after they had watched us shoot from 10 am until 5.30 pm. when i complained to their boss i was told , sorry we use incidents like this for practice. few mates of mine went clay shooting in an old quarry ( with permission ) a few years back, someone complained and out came armed response, they watch the guys shooting clays ( from afar ) then as they were leaving swooped, same thing, face down on the floor, one of the lads had his daughter with him, she was made to lay face down too!, only 10 years old. One of them had his sgc in his pocket, and as he went to get it was told leave it or I'll fire , 20 Min's or so later all was cleared up and guess what no apologies, not even to the girl of ten and yes they see it as a training exercise! . Now what do you do with your nice shiny ( well not quite ) rifle, with one up the chamber and XX hundreds of pounds worth of scope when an armed copper tells you to drop it? I've often wondered how they would go for armed trespass? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 just been reading the sporting shooter and have been reading about the heavy handed armed police they have been going out and treating shooters like me and you like criminals its a sad country this is when a trained swat team cant tell the difference from a man enjoying a days sport in the countryside from a terrorist i ask you is this what its coming to??? cheers kirky :( Shut up you tart LB i love you 2 lad !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 we have a licence but they make us look like criminals they do mate, twice they have stopped me on busy main roads. full road blocks, every one watching from there cars. when they could have done it in a field miles away from anywhere. but where the fun in that for them.the ones that have come into the field turn out to be good guys, interested in what guns you have got and what you are shooting. but one thing i do in the field is when i see them coming, unload, and put the gun down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 we have a licence but they make us look like criminals they do mate, twice they have stopped me on busy main roads. full road blocks, every one watching from there cars. when they could have done it in a field miles away from anywhere. but where the fun in that for them.the ones that have come into the field turn out to be good guys, interested in what guns you have got and what you are shooting. but one thing i do in the field is when i see them coming, unload, and put the gun down. once again mark you have give us sound good advice thanks thats good advice on unloading the gun and puting it down when any people aproch you !! thanks kirky ps you should stand for pm or mp or sumit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancs Lad Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Must only be me that agrees in the procedures that they use.... Just sent a letter to them saying that I dont agree with them lambasting the police in this way. Deako will tell you that they way that they do it is for a reason.............let me see if I can recall the email.. "I was somewhat dismaid to read your 2 page spread about armed response officers turning up when called by joe public. I have been stopped on a number of occasions by regular beat bobbies on my permission. These officers have been polite, respectful and professional when dealing with me, OK I didnt appreciate a pair of them more or less creeping up on me on one occasion, but I was probably harder to see whilst in my full ghillie gear. I think giving the Armed Support Units the title of "SWAT STYLE HIT" squads does nothing to bolster our relationship with our local police forces. None of us want a shooting incident, but these guys are trained to do the job that they do. Yes they need to be forceful, yes they need to be commanding, they need to be in control. As for your reporters buddy Chris saying that he was going to make the weapon safe and unload the magazine, then Im sorry but he is a fool. You do what the officers tell you, when they tell you and how they tell you. Its done how its done for a reason, it stops them getting shot by some maniac with a gun. These guys have got families too you know. Imagine the cheif constable turning up at home saying sorry Mrs X, Sgt X isnt home tonight because we relaxed the way that we do things. We all know what guns do in the wrong hands. The cops have to do their jobs, help your local forcet. Be proactive, I place a sign in my car with a mobile number on advising that shooting is taking place, I have provided my local bobbies with my areas of permission. Dont go lambasting the police for doing their jobs." There we go............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 The first time I read it was in the December mag. It had a small write up about the next months article. Then the really funny bit came along. The guys mate (Andy) shoots at the skeet club I'm in. We had a good chat about how they have been shooting there for something like ten years, and the coppers still turned out in force! Ruined their shooting for the day that's for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Must only be me that agrees in the procedures that they use.... Just sent a letter to them saying that I dont agree with them lambasting the police in this way. Deako will tell you that they way that they do it is for a reason.............let me see if I can recall the email.. "I was somewhat dismaid to read your 2 page spread about armed response officers turning up when called by joe public. I have been stopped on a number of occasions by regular beat bobbies on my permission. These officers have been polite, respectful and professional when dealing with me, OK I didnt appreciate a pair of them more or less creeping up on me on one occasion, but I was probably harder to see whilst in my full ghillie gear. I think giving the Armed Support Units the title of "SWAT STYLE HIT" squads does nothing to bolster our relationship with our local police forces. None of us want a shooting incident, but these guys are trained to do the job that they do. Yes they need to be forceful, yes they need to be commanding, they need to be in control. As for your reporters buddy Chris saying that he was going to make the weapon safe and unload the magazine, then Im sorry but he is a fool. You do what the officers tell you, when they tell you and how they tell you. Its done how its done for a reason, it stops them getting shot by some maniac with a gun. These guys have got families too you know. Imagine the cheif constable turning up at home saying sorry Mrs X, Sgt X isnt home tonight because we relaxed the way that we do things. We all know what guns do in the wrong hands. The cops have to do their jobs, help your local forcet. Be proactive, I place a sign in my car with a mobile number on advising that shooting is taking place, I have provided my local bobbies with my areas of permission. Dont go lambasting the police for doing their jobs." There we go............. yes they have a job to do but if there is shooting going on in the countryside they dont have to be treat people like terrorests mate people disserve a chance to explain in simple english and i dont think they need to be heavy handed a fool can see wot people are up 2 if they open there eyes and look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 to be fair lancs, when they have been watching you shoot pigeons for the most part of the day, a full road block, 12 or more police men, a helicopter, and a ambulance on stand by. forgive me if i get a bit miffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 well in 43 years of shooting i have never been stopped,with a gun in the car or any trouble at all with avon somerset police they are a good lot, i have a mate in there he said keep clean you will be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 The day I need to phone the police to undertake a legal sport is the day we have lost the freedom to live as we choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 leave us alone its our countryside!!! we enjoy it we love it we appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancs Lad Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 to be fair lancs, when they have been watching you shoot pigeons for the most part of the day, a full road block, 12 or more police men, a helicopter, and a ambulance on stand by. forgive me if i get a bit miffed. Thats just coz you look like a crim.................. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Thats just coz you look like a crim.................. its the shaved head and tats that do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancs Lad Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 The day I need to phone the police to undertake a legal sport is the day we have lost the freedom to live as we choose. You are carrying and using a gun for frigs sake................... I find it hard to understand why people can be so anti establishment about this, they are not infringing upon your rights. Its all about education. Maybe if a few more of us tried to be a bit proactive then we might just help to educate the boys in blue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 the above post is wrong final answer!! tell the boys in blue nothing you dont have to !! happy shooting cheers kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 tell the boys in blue nothing you dont have to !! you do if they are bashing your head in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 tell the boys in blue nothing you dont have to !! you do if they are bashing your head in. ok mark but police dont use unreasonable force if they dont have to do they ?? anyone smell bull poo? :( happy shooting if you get left alone long enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 the above post is wrong final answer!! tell the boys in blue nothing you dont have to !! happy shooting cheers kirky all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 The point about knives, there was an artical in this months SACS magazine. They say that even though you may think if you are OK about carrying a knife when your going out shooting, the way the law is worded you may still be vulnerable to arrest as the wording of the law doesn't take into account traveling to the place that you will be using it. If you have a knife in a public place when your traveling to go shooting they can still arrest you by law for carrying a weapon. I know of someone who very nearly got arrested for carrying a knife when he was going fishing, he had all the other kit with him and he was very lucky not to get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 so what size knife can you have with you and be with in the law when out shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 so what size knife can you have with you and be with in the law when out shooting. You may have any size knife with you in a public place so long as it is not prohibited and you can show "good reason" for being there. Good reason may be returning home from buying it in a shop or simply going fishing, or like I do when I go skuba diving. Or if out lamping, you need a knife to gut the rabbits before you bring them home for the pot. Even if you had a bad night and no rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 You may have any size knife with you in a public place so long as it is not prohibited and you can show "good reason" for being there. You need good reason for having the knife, not where you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 You may have any size knife with you in a public place so long as it is not prohibited and you can show "good reason" for being there. You need good reason for having the knife, not where you are. see here. section 42 (1) (a), states... section 139(6) ( b ) (maximum penalty for offence of having knife etc in public place); If you are in a public place with a knife, then that is where you are http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060038_en.pdf You can have a knife at home, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Hiya, I'm on the fence with this one. if someone reports a incedent involving a firearm, i'd like the police to act. We all might be going about our own business in a lawfull way, but what if the village idiot wasn't. If the police found the weapon was legal and so were you, fine, that should be the end of a very little story. However there'd be upraw if the village idiot managed to hurt someone and the police received a report and never followed it up. We've all been face down in the mud just for fun, i wouldn't mind helping the fuss for five minutes just to clear things up. But like mentioned, sportsmen on their own permission with legal weapons are being arrased and un-nessarery files are being logged, thats the problem that needs to be addressed. regards kieran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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