Old farrier Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hi I've been playing a bit shortened wad column. Until I can role turn case with shot cup and its not going to hold any more steel than I can get in a 12 factory load so at the moment there is no benefit for me I think it may be viable in a 3.1/2 inch load as you can get a longer fiber cup Found the cups a tad fragile to seat into the case Maybe it was me heavy handed Anyway just keeping you updated All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hi I've been playing a bit shortened wad column. Until I can role turn case with shot cup and its not going to hold any more steel than I can get in a 12 factory load so at the moment there is no benefit for me I think it may be viable in a 3.1/2 inch load as you can get a longer fiber cup Found the cups a tad fragile to seat into the case Maybe it was me heavy handed Anyway just keeping you updated All the best Of What length case are you using ? cant you use a longer case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hi Not realy chambers 2.7/8 I was trying to get a decent load but volume of shot dosent work out My 3.1/3 12 bore can cope with a larger load It's not a problem as I have plenty of bismuth for it and a light ish load so I can use either All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Just been revisiting this thread. Still baffled as to why Gamebore can get 24g steel in a 20 bore hull with a plastic cup, but cannot get any more than 24g steel in a 12 bore hull with a fibre cup. I mean, how thick are these fibre cups??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 i can get 30 gram in a 70mm hull with a rto finish and could probly get 32 gram at a push and right upto 40 gram in 3-1/2" hull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Just been revisiting this thread. Still baffled as to why Gamebore can get 24g steel in a 20 bore hull with a plastic cup, but cannot get any more than 24g steel in a 12 bore hull with a fibre cup. I mean, how thick are these fibre cups??? its not the thickness, its the wad underneath thats used to help with the gas seal. if i`m not mistaken, the 3" fibre wadded steel shells have a powdercard, fibre wad and fibre shotcup. thats alot in a hull. hence the 3". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) Can I ask what might be a daft question. Are these loads to go in HP proofed barrels or will they be ok in my old SxS and semi's Edited December 9, 2014 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Have a look on gamebore website but iirc they are 3" so hp proof required. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Me and a mate are running beretta 303's so not hp proof, be interested to know what we can use for pigeons in steel and fibre wad Edited December 10, 2014 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I've had a box of Gamebore Silver Steel 4s and they definitely were not 3". Look at the picture on their site too, the case in the picture is 2 3/4" Reading this thread: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/262303-gamebore-12g-silver-steel-fibre/it looks like some may have been manufactured with plastic wads, to further confuse matters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Me and a mare are running beretta 303's so not hp proof, be interested to know what we can use for pigeons in steel and fibre wad These are the only non HP steel loads I can find with fibre wad in a 70mm (2 3/4") case: http://www.gamebore.com/products/47/12g-super-steel-competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 And, if Gamebore can manufacture this non-hp steel cartridge in a 2 3/4" case with a fibre wad in shot size 7.5, surely they can manufacture one with size 4 shot??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 it says 12/76 for the bio steel, thats code for 12gauge, 76mm or 3". you probably could load a true 70mm with a roll turn, as i`ve said before, in these fibre loads there is alot of components, powder cards stop the wad burning up fibre wads need to compress and squash fit to chamber sealing the gasses shotcup is for just protecting the bore, there is alot going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 It looks like Gamebore will be doing some fsc cartridges as soon as they get a machine that can cut the wads as the one they have is not up to the job and they have to do them all by hand but they will be doing some soon. I used a box of 70mm with a rto finish (home loaded) the other day with 30 gram of 3.25mm #4 and they shot very well yes they are fast at just over 1600 fps on proof sheet but they killed partridge pheasant duck and a woodcock i had a good day i will be loading some more to use. But like cookoff says in some of them there is a-lot of components going into them which makes slower production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 That's good news. I wonder if we'll see a resurgance in RTO cartridges due to demand for fibre shot cups then??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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