njc110381 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'm on the subject of this little round again! I've read about several bullets available in this loading, and am unsure which one would be best for me. Firstly there's the plastic tipped one which breaks up fairly easily on impact, even on small quarry. It tends to demolish whatever it hits as long as it's small (ie rabbit) but kills cleanly and doesn't go far after hitting something. I understand the idea behind this one. Secondly, there is a soft point (exposed lead?) round, which mushrooms on impact, but doesn't really break up. This one seems to be the round best suited to shooting rabbits for the pot, as it should cause less meat damage due to staying in one piece and passing right through fairly cleanly. My concerns are 1. Does it kill as cleanly as the plastic tipped round on small quarry? I can see its use for foxes etc as it gets to the vitals better, but is a rabbit too small for it to deform properly? (I don't want to start a row on shooting foxes with the hmr, this is just an example to give me a picture of how the round works) 2. How far will this bullet fly after passing through a rabbit? As it doesn't break up, it could be a long way but I don't know! The third round is a FMJ, not suitable for hunting from what I've made of it. I don't really need to know too much about it for that reason, as it doesn't apply to me. Which round do you use, for what quarry, and why? I'm trying to get as much knowledge of the round as I can, so I can prove to the FEO that I know what I'm talking about! Cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinner Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 i only use federal v shok ballistic tips for everything,if you eat what you shoot just aim for the head its a very acurate round in the right conditions.since i have had this caliber i have not missed a shot,try doing a search there is tons of info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 You missed out the CCI bullet which is a true hollow point and is very good on foxes, as it mushrooms very well but also has penetration. Ideal for foxes at sensible ranges (100 head-shots & 60yd boiler-room shots) G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretboy111 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Tried cci's gamepoint, and wasnt impressed with them. I can only get remington v max at my end. V max all the way, wouldnt shoot anything other through it, stops foxes and rabbits dead. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 remmington boat tail never misses well nearly never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 My local shop stocks all of those mentioned. Just no Hornady. I was thinking I would stick to V-Max type bullets for safety reasons anyway. I like the idea of them breaking up when they hit the target (or ground if you miss). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 You missed out the CCI bullet which is a true hollow point and is very good on foxes, as it mushrooms very well but also has penetration. Ideal for foxes at sensible ranges (100 head-shots & 60yd boiler-room shots)G.M. - CCI TNT For everything else, rabbits, crows, magpies etc it's the ballistic tips Cheers AndyCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I only use the Remmington V-Max predominently as this is the only V-Max round I can get locally. I have tried Federal Premium and found both to be equally good. I havent tried Hollow Points as yet and dont think I will unless someone drops some in my pocket. The V-Max round works good on all my targets from squirrels to Fox. Meat damage is not a problem on rabbits when your head shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I only use the Remmington V-Max predominently as this is the only V-Max round I can get locally. I have tried Federal Premium and found both to be equally good. I havent tried Hollow Points as yet and dont think I will unless someone drops some in my pocket. The V-Max round works good on all my targets from squirrels to Fox. Meat damage is not a problem on rabbits when your head shooting. best move axe I got some hollow point and I can't say I was that impressed. The fact the Vmax takes foxes to 100 yards shows its ok for most things. As for breaking up and smashing on impact don't believe all you read they do penetrate well but usually don't come out the other side hence loose all the energy behind them on what they hit. I've had some rabbits really smashed up but it tends to mostly be the really close ones the further out the less it does it in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Have a mooch through this - http://www.varmintal.net/17hmr.htm G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Iv been advised by most people and the FEO that the V-Max Ballistic Tip 17gr will do for long range rabbits and foxes upto about 80 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Graham - Thanks for adding the link. I had a good read through it and it's full of answers. My google search didn't find that one, don't know why? Even the V-Max round is quite potent, so I think I'll stick to that one. I couldn't believe that these little 17grain bullets will go through 6mm (EDIT - it's 3mm ) steel plate! That's crazy! I liked the pictures of the squirrels though, they cleared up my doubts of how edible a rabbit will be after being hit. You only lose the front end, which hasn't got much meat anyway. At under 100m, I'll take head shots so it doesn't matter about the damage to close ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I've just bought a .17 and waiting on the scope was planning on getting 20gr HP for shooting foxes but after reading here that the 17grainer BT will do the job i dont think ill bother saves range time so more shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 the problem is swapping between the two, unless you want to use the hollow points for rabbits but believe me you don't need to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Just go for the v-max 17gr's. No need to swap bullets and re-zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I liked the pictures of the squirrels though, they cleared up my doubts of how edible a rabbit will be after being hit. You only lose the front end, which hasn't got much meat anyway. IMHO - You should try to eat/use as much of the animal you have killed.If you only want half a rabbit,cut it in 2. If you need to use the .17 because you can`t get near them then you have something wrong ie. fieldcraft. If it`s about shooting at long range,a .22 will kill rabbits(If you`re accurate enough)at 100yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 HD - I'm just trying to get a picture of what they are like to shoot really. All the questions I'm asking are more to do with the safety aspect of the round than anything else. Not wanting to sound like I'm a smart *** or anything, but if I take my time I could get to within pistol range of most of them (not that I use one, before anyone starts!). It's my aim that's the weaker of the two, I was creeping up on rabbits with my catapult long before I could own a gun :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Just looking at the link again. It also shows how good a box of old newspapers will be as a backstop for air rifles. Great for the poor student (or tight ***) shooters we have on here! If a hmr doesn't go through, 12ft-lbs certainly shouldn't. I was quite surprised one of the rounds didn't make it through the tin, especially after punching through 3mm steel sheet :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 cci makes a 20 gr bullet for foxe/rabbits i have taken coyotes cheers and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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