kiffy Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 hi folks, just had one of those crazy spur of the moment why the hell did i do that head scratching moments and bought a muzzle loading shotgun from demonwolf, not recieved it yet but as i know nothing about them i thought id ask for some advice and tips from you guys from the little i know, i know if i use black poowder i have to get the explosives license or go down the more sensible route of pyrodex or similar powders but would like to know the benefits of each and wether its worth me getting the license to use black powder also have to find shot from somewhere.. and what else do i need... oh boy do i have a lot to learn then theres the laoding.. no idea at all on how to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Whatever you do DONT BE TEMPTED TO USE NITRO POWDER Black powder is the way to go an explosives licence does not cost anything it's free from the police and should only take a couple of weeks use pyridox until the explosive licence comes shot and wads available from Henry cranks but expensive get yourself a wad punch of the correct size and buy some shot from clay &game reload ears or Siarm in Italy but remember to add 21% to the price on Siarms web pages for Itilian VAT then it will be about £17 post Good luck Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted December 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 its free? whatst he process, fill in forms and wait for a visit to check my storage like my sgc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) It's like an SGC app iirc but holding SGC already its easier you need a wooden box to keep it in and be sensible that's about it iirc up to a certain amount over that its nuts all on police website with SGC forms etc same dept. http://www.south-wales.police.uk/more-about-us/firearms-explosives-licensing/explosives-application-forms/ Edited December 14, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Get yourself or make a wooden storage box for the blackpowder.The specs are already on the internet. You will be allowed to keep 15kgs which to be honest is enough to reduce an average house to rubble should the worst happen.So have the box positioned in a place so that in the event of a fire you can lob it out the window-then think about throwing your family,pets and yourself afterwards,but always in this order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Right-its not as easy as it could be to get a BP licence anymore-the police will need to visit and you must have a safe place to store the stuff and an approved wooden box to store it in (if this is kept in an outhouse then the box needs to be secured to a wall). You will need to buy and collect the stuff as well-having it posted to you will cost a fortune compared to the price of the powder. Shot is readily available but try and find a local supplier again because of postage costs-percussion caps are also, I think, a collect only item. Wads-Kranks as mentioned or Mark Bonner (if he doesn't know wads then no one does !!)-don't forget the over shot wads when ordering. Google suitable loads for powder/shot (or ask previous owner) then buy about 25 small screw top plastic tubes-use a powder measure to measure the powder and place a charge in each tube (you can buy a flask with a suitably sized spout to speed things up if you like-but I would use the flask to charge the tubes and not the gun). If you can find a shot flask that throws the correct weight of shot then go for it-if not then you will need to put the correct load into more tubes (a stout canvas bag to carry everything is essential) Loading is easy but needs concentration-Hammer at half cock-barrel skywards but pointing away from face (NO SMOKING)-charge down the spout and insert/push the main wad home (firm but not hammered in)-shot down and overshot wad-shake the gun to settle the load before pushing the OS wad home-ramrod back under the barrel and gently squeeze a percussion cap before pushing it onto the nipple (squeezing the cap slightly out of shape helps the blasted thing to stay put)-when you are ready (and wearing safety specs) pull the hammer all the way back and let her go-have fun !!_ Edited December 14, 2013 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 You'll figure it out it's not rocket science. Do get off the pyrodex asap, it is much more corrosive than black! And harder to ignite! A bag of overshot cards our stamp your own with a punch as I do and thats all you need for wadding. A few overshot cards between the powder and shot is a normal practice. If you do get a punch or make one that means you can punch some scrap leather, these when soaked in olive oil will keep the fouling soft. Don't and that barrel will soon get crusty. I use one between two OS cards and shoot all day without cleaning. If you do buy fiber wads soak them in olive oil but snap them in half when loading. DO NOT use normal gun oils, animal or vegtable oils and fats only! Don't waste money on cleaning stuff. Water and boiling water is all you need! You would benefit from melting some candle and adding olive oil untill you get a greasy paste. This patch lube will melt on your hot cleaned barrel and flow in the nooks and stop the gun rusting. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Wadsincorprated-500 of OS and pre lubed will be £20 plus postage if you go for 28G but speak to the man first and tell him what smoke pole you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted December 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 thanks for the tips guys, picked the gun up from my local RFD on saturday, very very pleased with it. while there i had a nice chat with the guy in the shop who was very helpfull (this shop is usually known for bad service ) he recomended black powder over the other powders and also said he didnt have pyrodex, tripple seven or number 10 caps in stock as he has been having trouble obtaining them but promised they would be in stock in a week or so but i have decided to go down the black powder route and sent my forms off yesterday, spoke to the police who said it should only take three weeks or so which suits me fine as it gives me to to work out what im doing. i had already planned to make my own box as i have an almost full sheet of 18mm ply in my workshop but while in the shop the guy said we have boxes but dont buy one, make it yourself, he even showed me the boxes they sell, i thought it was tidy of him not to try and get seventy quid off me ive had a look on kranks and will check the other shops later, i see kranks have the shot so im ok there but its the wads and overshot cards that confuse me... i know in acart the wad seperaters the powder and shot so im guessing that muzzle loading is the same... as im typing this im thinking to myself this sounds so obvious its stuid typing it but i have to mention it.. but what the hell do overshot cards do? sounds like the same as a wad but whats the difference? if leathers ok i might as well get a punch as my brother owns a factory making chairs and mostly from leather so id have thought i can get tons of offcuts from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Good news. The OS card stops the shot pouring out. All that leather is good news. I stamp thin card and welders gloves but soak the leather in olive oil. That keeps the fouling soft....important! Powder then os card,leather,os card,shot and os card. If you do find fiber wads soak in olive oil but on loading break into two or three pieces....makes better patterns. Due to the high volume of gas it likes to send a solid was into the back of the shot just on exiting the muzzle. Ask away some more if you want. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I use a 13G sxs (most bp replicas are 13G-not 12) and have always used-powder/lubed wad/os wad/shot/os wad-If I were you I would seriously consider buying your wads and speaking to the guy at "wadsincorporated"-if you buy a couple of hundred they will last you for ages-BTW-use cheap windscreen wash to clean your barrel-Wilkinsons or similar stores do the stuff really cheap. You might also need a Nipple wrench-makes cleaning easier if you take them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Hot water, thats all I use to clean mine seven over the years. Hooked breeches in a bucket of warm water patch and jage pumping the water in and out a few times, drain and then a jug of boiling hot water through the heat of which dries the barrel/s out especially with a dry patch or two. Lube while hot, NOT with mineral oil. I just don't see any requirement to buy and alcohol based substance and our ancesters certainly did not buy screenwash! Actually in sreenwash apart from some dye and alcohol the main agent is errrr well water! Bruno22rf, if you were him, why would you seriously consider buying wads from someone? Kind of intriuged by the `seriously` bit U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Simples, Underdog-you can get the exact size and in various widths and lubricated/dry for about £20 (inc. the o/s) for 500-thats going to last a long time. By the time you have made/bought your punch and wadding/card its surely more economical to just buy them from Mark Bonner or similar. When I first contacted MB I realised that the wad is a crucial part of the ML jigsaw and it pays to get the right wad from someone in the know-they work out at a few pence each so why not (unless you get pleasure from making them of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Yes they are cheap...I understand and do use fiber in my 12g. I guess I do like using my own tools but that has been easy for me being a welder fabricator etc. Have you ever tried just a stack of OS cards as a main wad? I find it just as good as long as the foul is managed well. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Kiffy, you're about to discover how important it is to keep the gun moving Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 And when you get something with it it won't be smashed to a very smashed thing or splattered as a badly splattered thing gets! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I stamp thin card and welders gloves but soak the leather in olive oil. That keeps the fouling soft....important! going to go try my muzzle loader friday or saturday for the first time.. FINALLY! so im wondering how much oil do you use? i mean enough to get the elather tacky or enough to have it wet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 going to go try my muzzle loader friday or saturday for the first time.. FINALLY! so im wondering how much oil do you use? i mean enough to get the elather tacky or enough to have it wet? Sorry Kiffy....bit late! Yeah, I put them in a coin bag or other small plastic bag and add the oil and work them around in the bag. They will take more than you think kinder thing. I like to just see some oil when I squeeze them,.two or three of them and you won't have a fouling issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 i think its 5kg of blackpowder and 15kg of smokeless, the 5kg of blackpowder counts as powder so if you have 5kg of BP, you can only own 10kg more nitro. (i think) i looked into getting BP, for the 12, but couldnt be bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Kiffy, You will get the bug mate, I love shooting mine but tend to use them more on clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 finally got out with the gun today, wasnt out that long as i made a slight detour while walking the wood on a local farm and crossed what looked like a normal piece of woodland only to drop wasit deep in a bog...my mate came and grabbed my now mud caked muzzle loader and stretched over with a tree branch to drag my sinking **** out.. whoops anyway back to the muzzle loader, only got two shots off (my mate also had one) to try it out before walking the farm and i gota say i LOVE it.. totally different to using a normal shotgun, due to its being fairly impractical in my usual shooting i wont get that much use out of it but i can see how they can become addictive.. i cant wait to try it on clays now oh forgot to say i lost through water damage while sunk in the bog about a tenners worth of powder and caps :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 finally got out with the gun today, wasnt out that long as i made a slight detour while walking the wood on a local farm and crossed what looked like a normal piece of woodland only to drop wasit deep in a bog...my mate came and grabbed my now mud caked muzzle loader and stretched over with a tree branch to drag my sinking **** out.. whoops anyway back to the muzzle loader, only got two shots off (my mate also had one) to try it out before walking the farm and i gota say i LOVE it.. totally different to using a normal shotgun, due to its being fairly impractical in my usual shooting i wont get that much use out of it but i can see how they can become addictive.. i cant wait to try it on clays now oh forgot to say i lost through water damage while sunk in the bog about a tenners worth of powder and caps :( That front stuffer will really teach you the art of being sneaky. Stick at it. I have not been out with a front loader for over a week now and it is getting real itchy for me! Been out with the auto roost shooting crows.....meant little! Been stalking for fox with the 357....wished I had grabbed a front stuffer now! Got to wait till next Saturday afternoon now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 it will teach me a thing or two im sure, being a single shot its bound to as its all to easy to let two shots go at something.. if i only have one available then itll teach me to be more precise with my placment just finished cleaning the dry mud from it and oiling it.. im an idiot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Thats two of us then.......who has not fallen over! I have had a couple of spectaculars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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