walt1980 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hi guys, saw a a guy with a rifle the other day which was a .280 (saw the ammo box as well marked .280) he mentioned that calibre was previously known as ...........? But I can't remember what he said! Any ideas??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 7mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Ahh ok, thought he'd called it a 30-something! Cheers tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 i think (but i might be wrong) that anything 30 cal is 7.62mm, so don't quote me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 280 Remington. Very good cartridge. Basicaly a necked down 30-06 to IIRC.284" U. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Remington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 That could be where I got the 30-something from! Not many about tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 280 Remington. Very good cartridge. Basicaly a necked down 30-06 to IIRC.284" U. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Remington So not the same as the .284 Win then? Which is a belted cartridge isn't it? How does the .280 Rem compare ballistically with the .284 Win? On paper the latter looks like a cracking medium game cartridge, but paper seems to be all its used for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 So not the same as the .284 Win then? Which is a belted cartridge isn't it? How does the .280 Rem compare ballistically with the .284 Win? On paper the latter looks like a cracking medium game cartridge, but paper seems to be all its used for. The 284 Win was designed to duplicate the balistics of the 270 and 280 but in a short action for lever guns. It is bigger in diameter (but bas the same case head I believe, thus the rebated rim), but shorter so has about the same volume. Since the 270 was heavily promoted by Jim Carmichael, it caught on as 'the' gun to have at the time. The 284 never caught on with hunters so it never really sold and just sat there. The target crowd picked it up as it has a lot of volume (thus pushing loooong bullets with plenty of powder) in a short action. It still makes sense as a hunting gun if you want a short action 7mm with plenty of power. Over here though, there are plenty of similar chambers that also do the job. In this country, ammo availability and ability to do something that a cartridge already on the shelf can't are the main drivers of success. Given the 6.5x55, 7x57, 7mm Mag, and 308 are well established and the 284 doesn't give the UK shooter any real advantage over them you'll never see it on shelf. The same argument could be said for the 280 Rem as well. It is a great shooting cartridge. The ballistics can't be denied, and there is a selection of bullets available probably exceeding any of its peers (except maybe the 30 cal). But with the other 7mm and similar cartridges available it won't ever catch on. thanks, rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Yes IIRC the 284 Win was built for the Winchester 88 but could be wrong (often am). The 7x64 Brennecke is a close copy of 280Rem IIRC! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 This might be 280 British. A cartridge developed by several countries in collaboration after the second world war for an assault rifle the EM2. The EM 2 was a forerunner to the SA80. I remember a few years ago reading in a magazine that someone was making custom made stalking rifles in this caliber. I cant remember who was making these rifles but the round was supposed to be the best stalking round for the British woodland stalker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_British Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 The 284 Win was designed to duplicate the balistics of the 270 and 280 but in a short action for lever guns. It is bigger in diameter (but bas the same case head I believe, thus the rebated rim), but shorter so has about the same volume. Since the 270 was heavily promoted by Jim Carmichael, it caught on as 'the' gun to have at the time. The 284 never caught on with hunters so it never really sold and just sat there. The target crowd picked it up as it has a lot of volume (thus pushing loooong bullets with plenty of powder) in a short action. It still makes sense as a hunting gun if you want a short action 7mm with plenty of power. Over here though, there are plenty of similar chambers that also do the job. In this country, ammo availability and ability to do something that a cartridge already on the shelf can't are the main drivers of success. Given the 6.5x55, 7x57, 7mm Mag, and 308 are well established and the 284 doesn't give the UK shooter any real advantage over them you'll never see it on shelf. The same argument could be said for the 280 Rem as well. It is a great shooting cartridge. The ballistics can't be denied, and there is a selection of bullets available probably exceeding any of its peers (except maybe the 30 cal). But with the other 7mm and similar cartridges available it won't ever catch on. thanks, rick Thanks for that. Good reply that sets the record straight. Guess I'll be sticking to plan A for my long range varminter/1000 yard target rifle: .260 Rem, as advised by Fister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 The British army did experiment with the 280 in 1954, as a calibre to take over from the 303. We did experiment with a 280 machine gun as against our Vickers 303 but it was dropped for the 7.62 calibre, (stopping power being one of the excuses) Now look where we are, 5,56? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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