Stacker Shepherd Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Just as the title says guys I'm looking for a copy of, or the best anyone can give in specific content. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budice Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Googled it and found this https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117636/firearms-security-handbook.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Yes I have access to British standards on line , unfortunately I cannot post it on line for all to see due to the terms of my licence. If there is something specific you want to know from it I can look for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Without having to look it up What does BS7558/92 contain? What is it about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Specification for Gun cabinets: 1 Scope This British Standard specifies requirements for the construction and security of cabinets intended for the storage of firearms and ammunition when these are not in use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacker Shepherd Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Thanks for the replies I'm mostly interested in specific construction requirements as I am planning on fabricating my own cabinet. So I want to know requirements for steel, welded joints, and any other miscellaneous noteworthy points. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacker Shepherd Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Just read through the link posted by Budice and it seems to have everything I was looking for. It anyone can verify the details of cabinet construction in the link ( https://www.gov.uk/g...ty-handbook.pdf ) to those of bs7558 that would be great. Regards Edited January 17, 2014 by Stacker Shepherd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that county libraries keep copies of British Standards in the reference section. If so, you could request a copy to be temporarily sent to your local branch. Depending on the number available and the demand for it will determine how long the waiting list might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) BS 7558 is mainly about the method of testing, basically can it withstand a 5 minute attack from common hand-tools. The tools listed are Club hammer 1.8 kg, Flat cold chisel overall length 200 mm and blade width 25 mm, Jemmy. You have 5 minutes to inspect then a further 5 minutes to attack, if you can removed it from its mount (if the mount fails rather than the cabinet then this does not count) or gain entry within 5 mins it fails. A second test is then performed by a 2nd person on a second cabinet for a further 5 min, at any vulnerable point(s) identified in the first test with no prompting during the test. So to make a cabinet that conforms to BS 7558 means you have to send two identical cabinets off to an independent test laboratories for testing. The only mention of the construction of the cabinet in BS7558 I have listed below:- 4 Construction It shall be possible to lock the gun cabinet by means of one or more secure locks or close shackle padlocks of not less than 1 000 differs. Padlock shackles shall be hardened. Means shall be provided for the secure attachment of gun cabinets to a sound surface and the force required to pull the appropriate fixing bolt through any attachment point provided shall be not less than 2 kN; this force shall be applied directly to the bolt and without reinforcement of the surrounding area. NOTE 1 Recommendations for the secure attachment of gun cabinets are given in Appendix B. All fixings provided shall be concealed when the gun cabinet is closed and locked. NOTE 2 Ventilation features may be necessary to provide optimum storage conditions for certain types of ammunition and attention is drawn to the Health and Safety Executive requirements for the storage of black powder. NOTE 3 Materials and components used in the construction of a gun cabinet should be sufficiently resistant to distortion under leverage or impact, cutting by hacksaw, drilling, or melting and/or ignition on heating such that the assembled unit can resist these forms of attack for a significant period of time, related to the attack test period. Attachments such as handles should be frangible or otherwise should not provide any points for leverage. NOTE 4 Additional security for particular firearms may be achieved by the incorporation into a gun cabinet of internal restraining device(s), such as a strong cable or chain. Edited January 17, 2014 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 The farmer whos land I shoot on made his own gun safe from some oil drums and a nifty bit of welding and he did not have to send it off to be tested. The Firearms office assessed the safe and agreed it was sound enough. Some safes from the USA are not BS compliant but surpass the standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 It only has to be sent off for testing if you want your safe to be compliant with BS7558 and you are quite right that you don’t need a cabinet to BS7558 only one that the Firearms officer is satisfied with. But the OP was asking about the design aspect of BS7558 however BS7558 is just a physical attack test hence the need to send it off if you want your gun safe to be compliant to BS 7558. Every gun safe that has been made to BS7558 surpasses it so to speak. The reasoning behind an attack test rather than specification on design was because it was demonstrated that a specification which centred only on the design and construction features of a gun cabinet was insufficient to provide adequate resistance to sustained forcible attack. Cabinets made to the most stringent existing design and construction requirements still provided points of weakness which could be breached in less than 1 min by the methods of physical attack described in the standard. So for BS 7558 you can build your cabinet to whatever spec you want as long as you take into account the notes listed in section 4 construction I listed above. If it then passes the attack test it is a cabinet to BS 7558 no matter how it is made. For the OP BS7558 is pointless unless he wants to make two identical safes and send them off for testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacker Shepherd Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Thanks for the responses some very informative posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Your gun safe does not have to comply with any British standards. They are there to protect the consumer from unwise purchases. The law simply requires you to keep your firearms and ammunition secure. Take a look at the Home Office "Firearms Security Handbook" which goes into considerable detail about what is accepted and gives quite a bit of guidance on how to construct your own cabinet, safe or gun room to an acceptable standard.. Unless you have a specific requirement, gun safes are not very expensive as long as you shop around for a good price and get one that is bigger than you ever thought you would need! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacker Shepherd Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Your gun safe does not have to comply with any British standards. They are there to protect the consumer from unwise purchases. The law simply requires you to keep your firearms and ammunition secure. Take a look at the Home Office "Firearms Security Handbook" which goes into considerable detail about what is accepted and gives quite a bit of guidance on how to construct your own cabinet, safe or gun room to an acceptable standard.. Unless you have a specific requirement, gun safes are not very expensive as long as you shop around for a good price and get one that is bigger than you ever thought you would need! I simply want to make one myself as it'll be something fun to do. I already have a 5 gun cabinet. Edited January 17, 2014 by Stacker Shepherd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I simply want to make one myself as it'll be something fun to do. I already have a 5 gun cabinet. My compliments to anyone with the skill/tools to make one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Basically for FEO to pass it needs to meet their spec in the guidance namely 2mm min steel with 3mm door, multiple locking points, full welded seams and no leverage points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacker Shepherd Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Cheers dekers I've definitely got the tools but the skill is questionable! Edited January 17, 2014 by Stacker Shepherd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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