Theskyfox Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Hi Guys, Need some help over choosing my next gun. Basically I've boiled it down to one of two choices (Both in .177): 1. Air Arms TDR-F - I would get this then send it off to BTAS to get a Regulator fitted/custom hammer + tuning. Total cost about £950 for gun + the work to be carried out. 2. Steyr LG110 Hunting - Can pick these up for about £1660, factory fitted with regulator I know there is a big price difference between the two here, but I figured if I save a bit longer and perhaps consider selling on my HW95 then it would be doable. In terms of the Pros/cons, I'm just wondering how much difference in performance there really would be practically speaking under the 12FTlbs limit. I get the impression that the Steyrs are just better all rounders if you have a FAC, but I'm really not sure. Additionally the Air arms comes with a silencer and multishot magazine - the Steyr is single shot and needs an adaptor for the silencer. I'd be interested in your thoughts. -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Hi Guys, Need some help over choosing my next gun. Basically I've boiled it down to one of two choices (Both in .177): 1. Air Arms TDR-F - I would get this then send it off to BTAS to get a Regulator fitted/custom hammer + tuning. Total cost about £950 for gun + the work to be carried out. 2. Steyr LG110 Hunting - Can pick these up for about £1660, factory fitted with regulator I know there is a big price difference between the two here, but I figured if I save a bit longer and perhaps consider selling on my HW95 then it would be doable. In terms of the Pros/cons, I'm just wondering how much difference in performance there really would be practically speaking under the 12FTlbs limit. I get the impression that the Steyrs are just better all rounders if you have a FAC, but I'm really not sure. Additionally the Air arms comes with a silencer and multishot magazine - the Steyr is single shot and needs an adaptor for the silencer. I'd be interested in your thoughts. -Andrew Now if your shooting competitively a little better means a lot, in the field? I seriously doubt you will add to the bag against an equally skilled hunter with his HW80 and basic but reliable 4x40 scope say though you will have invested enough extra in the gun to buy 5 yrs rough shooting rights in many parts of the country - think on perhaps what it means to you personally but those are the facts of the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 If its for hunting I would say between the two the AA TDR. Its a designed hunting rifle where the Steyr is really a match rifle with a hunting name on it in my opinion. The Steyr probably has a slight edge in accuracy but not enough to make any difference in hunting conditions. The Air Arms has the edge with Multishot, silencer with it, carbine so easy to use out of a hide and is discreet if you need it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I just cannot see why you would want to spend that sort of money for field use , something like a HW100 or AA S4/510 will be more accurate than you will ever be ( no offence). save the extra cash for a rainy day and keep the HW95 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskyfox Posted January 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Thanks guys. To be honest you are just mirroring what I was thinking. Its always difficult to think straight when you have the exitement of a new gun lol. I hated the idea of not having a multishot mag, and the TDR is perfect and lightweight for throwing around in the field. TDR it is then! Oh..and I'll keep the HW95 for those lazy days where I cba with the air cylinder...(its in for repair right now...but thats another post lol). -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Why, may I ask, a TDR? Do you drive a bubble car or have a new build starter home too small to fit a full size gun into? I agree with previous suggestions-you can get a Walnut stocked S410 (that will look stunning and be capable of removing a Gnats wedding tackle) for less money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Why on earth would you pay that for a sub 12 air rifle? For hunting puposes at sensible ranges then you just don't need to go there. Ur in CF territory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 and I thought it was for FT,, for hunting get the DAYSTATE HUNTSMAN CLASSIC, any calibre ,, perfect to sling over your shoulder or carry all day long atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 and I thought it was for FT,, for hunting get the DAYSTATE HUNTSMAN CLASSIC, any calibre ,, perfect to sling over your shoulder or carry all day long atb Evo +1. Superb hunting rifle that is the Daystate Huntsman Classic-one of my all time favourite rifle!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTS Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 im in this boat myself at the moment and have been looking at the daystate huntsman classic in .177 ive also been offered a daystate mk4 for £600 with scope etc but its .22 and i really prefer the .177 ive then also considered a AA S510 at just under £600 its slightly over budget as i was wanting to spend around £800 all in to include sights and a charging bottle Im just feeling a little lost as to where to go next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 im in this boat myself at the moment and have been looking at the daystate huntsman classic in .177 ive also been offered a daystate mk4 for £600 with scope etc but its .22 and i really prefer the .177 ive then also considered a AA S510 at just under £600 its slightly over budget as i was wanting to spend around £800 all in to include sights and a charging bottle Im just feeling a little lost as to where to go next it really does depend on what you want to use it for, all the rifles you have mentioned are excellent and accurate but out of the 3 mentioned if it was for hunting then the Huntsman Classic would be my first choice,it truelly is one of the best hunting pcp,s out there, i have the airwolf also but if i,m out for a long period of time then its the huntsman i pick,its accurate as hell but more importantly its light enough to hump round all day,but just to throw a spanner in the works i have just bought a BSA r10 mk2 and have to say i,m impressed, its too loud for my liking but once Mr Bowkett gets his hands on it i,m sure it will be quiet as my shooting buddy has had the work done on his and its whisper quiet, hope this helps but IMHO the huntsman fits the bill perfectly for hunting atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTS Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks for the help. I tried the R10 and to be honest I loved the feel. But at £665 gun only locally it gets too expensive for me once I've fitted a scope and bought a bottle. I'm considering the BSA ultra SE - I'm told it's an excellent gun and very accurate and comes in at pretty much bang on budget for me My only issue with the huntsman is finding a good condition one second hand as new again it's a little over budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Get a HW100, best hunting rifle ever made ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTS Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 i have found a daystate huntsman with an optisan scope for £595 - only problem is its .22 im really considering moving to .22 anyway just to make sure the quarry is despatched (in case of the odd misjudged shot) and also to avoid overpenetration as im doing more for farmers in barns etc Ive just always been a .177 man.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 im really considering moving to .22 anyway just to make sure the quarry is despatched (in case of the odd misjudged shot) and also to avoid overpenetration as im doing more for farmers in barns etc Is much easier to misjudge a shot with a .22, and a .177 will dispatch the quarry just as good as the .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTS Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) well i thought that to be honest - ive always used .177 Im going to go up to the shop in stoke on wednesday and see what they have in my price range. I was going to buy a BSA R10 originally but once id bought a scope, divers bottle and bag i was touching a grand and i cant bring myself to do it - although i loved the gun and it felt great, and do have the money, i just cant really justify spending £1000 Edited January 27, 2014 by DTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 im in this boat myself at the moment and have been looking at the daystate huntsman classic in .177 ive also been offered a daystate mk4 for £600 with scope etc but its .22 and i really prefer the .177 ive then also considered a AA S510 at just under £600 its slightly over budget as i was wanting to spend around £800 all in to include sights and a charging bottle Im just feeling a little lost as to where to go next You won't be lost if you get a Huntsman Classic-I can't recommend this fantastic rifle enough.Here's mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks for the help. I tried the R10 and to be honest I loved the feel. But at £665 gun only locally it gets too expensive for me once I've fitted a scope and bought a bottle. I'm considering the BSA ultra SE - I'm told it's an excellent gun and very accurate and comes in at pretty much bang on budget for me My only issue with the huntsman is finding a good condition one second hand as new again it's a little over budget Try looking for the Huntsman predecessor then, the Daystate X2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 well i thought that to be honest - ive always used .177 Im going to go up to the shop in stoke on wednesday and see what they have in my price range. I was going to buy a BSA R10 originally but once id bought a scope, divers bottle and bag i was touching a grand and i cant bring myself to do it - although i loved the gun and it felt great, and do have the money, i just cant really justify spending £1000 i said that when i bought mine but have to be honest its the best money i ever spent on a rifle, as bullet has said , you wont be lost if you get a huntsman two guy,s i shoot with said i was mad to pay that much for an air rifle, and guess who had the last laugh,,,,, one of them went out 2 months later and bought a new one and the other guy waited a year and went out and bought two,,yes two huntsman regals,,one for him and his son, because they where that impressed, bullet boys is a stunning rifle , the stock is beautiful to say the least so heres a pic of mine after a night on the rabbits just think of it this way,,if you get a huntsman classic you could keep it a couple of years,look after it and still get what you paid for it back if you decided to sell, they hold there price very well probably better than any other air rifle, but the one thing i can honestly say is you wont be dissapointed spending the money once you have used one because they are a real pleasure to shoot, another pic for ya, atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Is much easier to misjudge a shot with a .22, and a .177 will dispatch the quarry just as good as the .22 Not if your in the correct range window its not. There is at the end of the day only 4-6 yards in the optimum zero between two identical guns viewed in either calibre. .177 will not kill as well as a .22 using heart lung shots etc., rats especially so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks bud. got to ask but where did ya get that shoulder strap from, absolutely stunning and certainly goes well with the huntsman you have,, i,ve got to get one of those atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 got to ask but where did ya get that shoulder strap from, absolutely stunning and certainly goes well with the huntsman you have,, i,ve got to get one of those atb Evo I bought it off a good friend of mine Tony Tyrer who sadly is no longer with us. Tony was the Founder Member of the DaystateOwnersClub.He passed away last year at a very young age. It is a lovely sling with the Huntsman logo. Not sure who else makes these slings bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not if your in the correct range window its not. There is at the end of the day only 4-6 yards in the optimum zero between two identical guns viewed in either calibre. .177 will not kill as well as a .22 using heart lung shots etc., rats especially so Yes it is, as more hold over/under is required for .22 at the same given range. And i never atepmpted a heart/lung shot with either .22 or .177 .... head shot is the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Yes it is, as more hold over/under is required for .22 at the same given range. And i never atepmpted a heart/lung shot with either .22 or .177 .... head shot is the way to go on rabbits yes but when i,m shooting pigeons its always chest shots for me,they never seem to keep their bloody heads still long enough lol atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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