bruno22rf Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) You don't have to send your Daystate back to the manufacturer for a service-as far as I know their retail outlets have at least one DS trained member of staff-these are the guys to deal with-my MK3 full service and power check £70-same figure for battery replacement. OP-if you have headshot a rabbit at 5 feet and still not killed it you need to put your gun away and get the problem sorted-it may cost but not as much as a fine for causing unnecessary suffering. Edited February 12, 2014 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) The thing is, with daystates, can you get them apart to service them without the special tool? As I understand it, both the fasteners and the tool to fit them are exclusive to daystate as an anti tamper device. I could be wrong, and if I am I might consider one. If I'm right though, I won't be buying a daystate, which is a shame, as I do like them. rimfireboy, get yourself a daystate huntsman classic, they are so easy to work on and service yourself its unreal, you will need a tool to remove the two rear screws, you can pick one up for between £20-£30 they are also very easy to adjust the power to ensure your gun stays on the legal side of the law, believe me,,once you use a huntsman classic you wont look back, if you have good hands then service it yourself, its simple cheers Evo Edited February 12, 2014 by evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 rimfireboy, get yourself a daystate huntsman classic, they are so easy to work on and service yourself its unreal, you will need a tool to remove the two rear screws, you can pick one up for between £20-£30 they are also very easy to adjust the power to ensure your gun stays on the legal side of the law, believe me,,once you use a huntsman classic you wont look back, if you have good hands then service it yourself, its simple cheers Evo Helpful post Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 If you need a tool that is only available through the manufacturer at £30 to remove a stock I should not buy that gun. There are perfectly good hex keys etc available and only one reason to do such a thing and it comes with the queens head on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Thanks for the input kent. Its interesting reading about your experiences. The adrenaline thing is a very good point, one that I hadn't thought about. After being shot they didn't move s far. I actually put a second shot into a young rabbit from about 5 foot away and that still didn't finish it off. Also I've seen a few foxes shot with a 22.250 that have managed to run on for 100yards or so and on inspection the shot placement has been good. Thinking back these have always been the more skittish ones. So the adrenaline must have been pumping before they were shot. Second shots don't work to good with a marginal tool like an airgun because it needs good placement, yes even at 5 feet!. In fact its dead easy to make a mess of such a short range shot as you will likely be aiming 1" plus over the top on moving quarry. Better to grab them and do it by hand IMO. You know a moderated .410 might be a better tool for that which you describe? Correct the fox will be in massive shock (preventing the feeling of pain) but the brain will still work the legs as long as it has some oxygen left over to fuel it, if the brain is not already thinking "run" because it is totally unaware of danger and hence relaxed they just tend towards a drop on the spot to a good boiler room shot likely as not anyhow. Real instant brain destroying shots are totally instant but create a lot of wild thrashing and leaps ( I once had a Roe flip over a high fence backwards and upside down under these circumstances, its quite disturbing sometimes) This reaction is often seen in rabbits and easy mistaken for a poor kill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Joy of being a Club Shooter - most Clubs have at least one decent Gunsmith Also if you take it to a RFD / Dealer and it's over they are duty bound to report it as a Fire Arm Most clubs check New Members Air Guns for Free - BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 rimfireboy, get yourself a daystate huntsman classic, they are so easy to work on and service yourself its unreal, you will need a tool to remove the two rear screws, you can pick one up for between £20-£30 they are also very easy to adjust the power to ensure your gun stays on the legal side of the law, believe me,,once you use a huntsman classic you wont look back, if you have good hands then service it yourself, its simple cheers Evo That's interesting Evo, where would I purchase one of these tools? They seem expensive though. Do only Daystate sell them or are they available elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I haven't needed to strop the Airwolf for any reason. However, I have had the stock off, normal allen key, and the rest of the exposed fixings aren't out of the ordinary. It may well be fitted with anti-tamper deeper inside, but then a high proportion of air rifles are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 The fasteners at the back of the action , on the new ones at least, require a special tool to remove. Therefore I can't see how you can service them without this tool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 How do I go about testing the power of my gun? I've got an AA S410. Took it out lamping last night and it seem to be quite down on power. I'd like to get it as close to the 12lb mark as possible but have no idea where to start. This is my 1st PCP rifle so its all new to me. Thanks Woody What year is your s410? If its an early one it might be adjustable. Can you see a grub screw on the side of the breech? If so you can remove it with an allen key and then inside you can adjust the power. Obviously do not do this without a chrono. As has been said NEVER charge your rifle all the way up, the sweet spot is always a lot lower than that and if you're hunting you do not need loads of shots. The best bet is to first chronon every shot from full until empty recording each shots power. Then you can work out the power curve and the approximate pressure it works best at. Generally Air Arms rifles have a very flat power curve for unregulated rifles but if it is low from the power curve you can work out the maximum you can turn it up and still be within the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Helpful post Evo But where do you get the tool from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) But where do you get the tool from? But where do you get the tool from? But where do you get the tool from? But where do you get the tool from? sorry for delay mate,,i,ll sort you add out , I paid £25 off the bay,,they do pop up from time to time but if ever you needed one you could always borrow mine, I,ll pm you it once I find it bud (guys address) cheers Evo Edited February 14, 2014 by evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 If you need a tool that is only available through the manufacturer at £30 to remove a stock I should not buy that gun. There are perfectly good hex keys etc available and only one reason to do such a thing and it comes with the queens head on it. kent,,what on earth are you on about the stock is removed with an allen key,, we are talking about servicing a daystate huntsman which cannot be done unless you have a special tool to remove the two anti tamper screws from the rear of the rifle,, you cannot buy this tool from daystate, you also get two new allen bolts when you buy this tool, it seems pretty obvious you do not have a clue how to service a huntsman classic and to make a comment like and you said it " at £30 to remove a stock I should not buy that gun" and making a comment like this just proves it, there is nothing wrong with servicing your own rifle even if it has got anti tamper bolts in it to stop idiots(which I,m not) servicing it themselves, my huntsman has been solely used for hunting in all weathers hail ,rain ,sleet and snow and by using the £20-£30 tool to remove the bolts has saved me an absolute fortune in daystate service fee,s which for a daystate huntsman the 3 year service I was quoted from them £186 seems steep to say the least ,so you can see where I,m coming from, with regards my Airwolf well that's a different matter because it is electronic and I do not have the tools to service it so it will be sent to daystate to have a service, this rifle is solely used for my night time shooting and has never seen rain or anything else for that matter , its my fair weather rifle, rimfire and any others who would like to know, here are a couple of pictures of the anti tamper bolt removal tool as you can see one end of the tool is an allen key fitting and the other end has a triangle recess,(kent,,its not for removing the stock), hope this helps all cheers Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 sorry for delay mate,,i,ll sort you add out , I paid £25 off the bay,,they do pop up from time to time but if ever you needed one you could always borrow mine, I,ll pm you it once I find it bud (guys address) cheers Evo Thanks Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Keep your hair on - someone said to get the stock off. I shouldn't buy a gaystate anyhow too many things on them we don't need, electronics on a gun is just mental especially when its just an airgun all said and done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Keep your hair on - someone said to get the stock off. I shouldn't buy a gaystate anyhow too many things on them we don't need, electronics on a gun is just mental especially when its just an airgun all said and done ha ha,,sorry if I sounded abrupt,not meant,, if having a daystate makes you gay,(gaystate) then I need to tell the wife I,m gay(NOT) I have always been one for the mechanical air rifles just like yourself and did not like the sound of electronics on them(too much to go wrong) that is the reason I bought a new huntsman,no electronics at all, super accurate,,light and also very user friendly ,,but I then got the chance to buy an airwolf and I have to say,electronics is the way to go,the whole rifle just oozes class , it has a super smooth cocking system ,,NO recoil whatsoever when pulling the sensitive trigger the rifle sits totally still until the bunny drops, I do enjoy the huntsman but the airwolf is in a different league and is fantastic to hold and shoot,, now I have one(airwolf) I now have a different view on electronics on air rifles, atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 ha ha,,sorry if I sounded abrupt,not meant,, if having a daystate makes you gay,(gaystate) then I need to tell the wife I,m gay(NOT) I have always been one for the mechanical air rifles just like yourself and did not like the sound of electronics on them(too much to go wrong) that is the reason I bought a new huntsman,no electronics at all, super accurate,,light and also very user friendly ,,but I then got the chance to buy an airwolf and I have to say,electronics is the way to go,the whole rifle just oozes class , it has a super smooth cocking system ,,NO recoil whatsoever when pulling the sensitive trigger the rifle sits totally still until the bunny drops, I do enjoy the huntsman but the airwolf is in a different league and is fantastic to hold and shoot,, now I have one(airwolf) I now have a different view on electronics on air rifles, atb Evo Thanks for posting the tool pic You'll get nowhere with Kent, trying to get him to understand or even like Daystates Evo. I've long since realised you're wasting your breath. The electronics on the Daystates are a million miles away from a normal pcp as you have found. They have been tried, tested and I think there was a test where they submerged the Airwolf into a swimming pool, and the electronics were fine I sincerely don't understand this Hatestate thing that some have other than the obvious jealousy, but then when that's pointed out, they say they can easily afford to buy one, but choose not to You and I could rave about Daystates all day, especially the Airwolf MCT. Until you've owned one, (and I don't mean tried one) you will never know how much of a league ahead they are. Glad your enjoying yours Evo,......get yourself an FAC 40ftlb one............then you really are cooking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Thanks for posting the tool pic You'll get nowhere with Kent, trying to get him to understand or even like Daystates Evo. I've long since realised you're wasting your breath. The electronics on the Daystates are a million miles away from a normal pcp as you have found. They have been tried, tested and I think there was a test where they submerged the Airwolf into a swimming pool, and the electronics were fine I sincerely don't understand this Hatestate thing that some have other than the obvious jealousy, but then when that's pointed out, they say they can easily afford to buy one, but choose not to You and I could rave about Daystates all day, especially the Airwolf MCT. Until you've owned one, (and I don't mean tried one) you will never know how much of a league ahead they are. Glad your enjoying yours Evo,......get yourself an FAC 40ftlb one............then you really are cooking You see this is it- its gimmicks for marketing, is it more consistent than a real quality tuned spring gun? No! Is it more powerful? No! (12ft lb limit) is it more reliable? No! 40ft lb? why not get a .22 lr it will shoot further better cost a lot less and last a lot longer and you can fully service a CZ 452 with a dust cap and two screw drivers across the kitchen table. Were is the logic? besides the Jones's and the dreaming of a better fantasy gun (air rifles made their point of no further improvement decades ago) Of course I understand the collector, the enthusiast who has to own and try anything just for the heck of it but please the logic? The practicality? the advantages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) You see this is it- its gimmicks for marketing, is it more consistent than a real quality tuned spring gun? No! Is it more powerful? No! (12ft lb limit) is it more reliable? No! 40ft lb? why not get a .22 lr it will shoot further better cost a lot less and last a lot longer and you can fully service a CZ 452 with a dust cap and two screw drivers across the kitchen table. Were is the logic? besides the Jones's and the dreaming of a better fantasy gun (air rifles made their point of no further improvement decades ago) Of course I understand the collector, the enthusiast who has to own and try anything just for the heck of it but please the logic? The practicality? the advantages? You see my point Evo, total waste of time Kent, if you got out more instead of making it your lifes ambition to be the top poster every day and arguing with anyone who tries to have a reasonable conversation, you might just find that the world has actually moved on a bit Edited February 14, 2014 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 You see this is it- its gimmicks for marketing, is it more consistent than a real quality tuned spring gun? No! Is it more powerful? No! (12ft lb limit) is it more reliable? No! 40ft lb? why not get a .22 lr it will shoot further better cost a lot less and last a lot longer and you can fully service a CZ 452 with a dust cap and two screw drivers across the kitchen table. Were is the logic? besides the Jones's and the dreaming of a better fantasy gun (air rifles made their point of no further improvement decades ago) Of course I understand the collector, the enthusiast who has to own and try anything just for the heck of it but please the logic? The practicality? the advantages? have to be honest,,the daystate huntsman was and is a cracking rifle,i have used springers all my life , well since my father gave me one when I was eight years of age, kent, to say its gimmicks for marketing is so far from the truth it is unreal,the Daystate huntsman is miles ahead but the Airwolf is in a totally different league again, with the huntsman I will shoot very tight groups but with the Airwolf I will shoot very tight groups effortlessly , I know you wont believe a word I say but the ELECTRONIC air rifles from Daystate are miles ahead of where you think they are, I use .22rf and I,ll be honest again, I will pick the airwolf out the cabinate 10 times out of 10 before I use the .22rimfire, yes the rimfire works well but lets be honest about this,What has changed on a .22 rf rifle in the last 50years yes your correct ,,,NOTHING, air rifles have come a long way in just the last 10 years and on some of my perms you can use both rimfire,hmr but I still pick the air rifle over them because its accurate,SILENT,but most of all a total pleasure to shoot, all my Daystates are immaculate pieces of kit and very very accurate , I also own a s410 and a new bsa r10 mk2,out of them all to carry round all day its the huntsman but to use as an accurate pest control machine then NOTHING comes close to the Airwolf and that includes the rimfire, as turbo33 has said, its pretty obvious you are years behind the times and have proved this by your" gimmick " comment, its not a marketing gimmick its called Engineering at a very high quality, oh and just to let you know ,the advantage over a lr as I have found is I can shoot bunnies sitting next to each other where when I shoot a rimfire the bunnie next to the one I have shot is off like a scaulded cat, SILENCE IS GOLDEN atb Evo You see my point Evo, total waste of time Kent, if you got out more instead of making it your lifes ambition to be the top poster every day and arguing with anyone who tries to have a reasonable conversation, you might just find that the world has actually moved on a bit totally see your point, and agree 100%, considering Kent is shooting a lot he doesn,t know what he is missing atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Sorry but the only thing quieter about an air rifle than a .22 lr sub moderated is the noise of the bullet on impact. Fired into the distance (were safe) all that should be easily heard is the click of the firing pin hitting the case. I have fired and witnessed the firing of many very quiet airguns but the cycling of the next shot makes far greater noise disturbance in either the rimfire or air powered guns. If you honestly feel your rimfire makes the bunnies exit scene left so much more than firing the airgun your on the wrong ammo or the wrong moderator, still none the less both air and RF rifles can be taken further by better moderation but it gets ever so fractional on cost v benefit. Moderators and their effectiveness are a whole new subject Evo, you sound just like the suggested enthusiast, Silence is a poor case to make I feel though as the first thing an airguner generally say when he doesn't hear the rimfire for the first time is generally Wow. I have owned more than a few PCP air rifles and have others who shoot here and elsewhere with me likewise, I fail to see how the fact that its kitted up with electronics can make the gun discernibly quieter? it still needs to push air and a pellet once you get to regulation well, fractional differences in air volume might honestly increase the shot count a over a long string but to say noise? Yet Turbo33 please get a grip If you wouldn't say it to a guys face don't say it hey? At the end of the day the guy who stands in the line with a 28 ga over the std 12 or 20 don't do it because the small gun is more effective on the Pheasant. The Purdy wont kill more birds than a Browning but I do understand why a man might choose do either of these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 kent,,what on earth are you on about the stock is removed with an allen key,, we are talking about servicing a daystate huntsman which cannot be done unless you have a special tool to remove the two anti tamper screws from the rear of the rifle,, you cannot buy this tool from daystate, you also get two new allen bolts when you buy this tool, it seems pretty obvious you do not have a clue how to service a huntsman classic and to make a comment like and you said it " at £30 to remove a stock I should not buy that gun" and making a comment like this just proves it, there is nothing wrong with servicing your own rifle even if it has got anti tamper bolts in it to stop idiots(which I,m not) servicing it themselves, my huntsman has been solely used for hunting in all weathers hail ,rain ,sleet and snow and by using the £20-£30 tool to remove the bolts has saved me an absolute fortune in daystate service fee,s which for a daystate huntsman the 3 year service I was quoted from them £186 seems steep to say the least ,so you can see where I,m coming from, with regards my Airwolf well that's a different matter because it is electronic and I do not have the tools to service it so it will be sent to daystate to have a service, this rifle is solely used for my night time shooting and has never seen rain or anything else for that matter , its my fair weather rifle, rimfire and any others who would like to know, here are a couple of pictures of the anti tamper bolt removal tool as you can see one end of the tool is an allen key fitting and the other end has a triangle recess,(kent,,its not for removing the stock), hope this helps all cheers Evo to let those interested there is a tool on the bay now http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Daystate-security-screw-tool-triangle-/321324991253?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item4ad0764315 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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