RobC1990 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 what are peoples opinions on these models? I am undecided what to go for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 300tdi easy to fix but can have problems with heads. TD5 more power, cam chain not belt but electric & head not easy to fix. I've got mate's who have both & all have had problems but they use them off road, not just on a farmers field. If it was me, I'd go for a 300tdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatherandSon Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I sold my TD5 as I couldnt work on it myself. Its all electric. I went back to the 200tdi. Missed the power of the td5 but thats about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmep Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 for me the 300tdi is very overpriced, the td5 is a much better motor. my advice would be to buy on condition for the price you want to spend though, if you don't know what you're looking at take someone that does. had my td5 a year now and no problems at all, wouldn't swap it for a 300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC1990 Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I am thinking more 300tdi!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 300tdi easy to work on yourself no electronics, keep the water system clean and full and no leaking P gasket and heads are fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Both very good engines IMO. currently running a td5 but have had plenty of 300 tdi. as landy george[and barney 66] has said the 300tdi is easy to work on and requires no diagnostics like the td5. If you go 300tdi then try and get one with not too many miles on and get a cam belt kit fitted for piece of mind. Edited February 25, 2014 by aga man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fib new Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Have a td5 and a 200tdi, love both. 200tdi is great but noisy, old and agricultural. Td5 feels more modern, less noisy and more car like. Reliability? Both about the same. Let's not forget a 300tdi is getting old, a late year td5 is still a young car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I sold my old trusty 300 and bought a early TD5 , had nothing but trouble and the chassis rot out, I spent 1 1/2 days welding up the back end, I never had to weld the 300 at all , I also had a head go on it, maybe I just bought bad one but will never buy another. Mickmep said the 300's are over priced, there is a reason for that, they keep going. Don't worry about power, if we wanted to go fast we would buy motor cycles. If you do go for a 300 try and get a commercial if you do not need passenger doors and definatley get one without sunroofs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Dont think the engine choice would make any difference to the amount the chassis rots by sound of it you just got a dog. I sold my old trusty 300 and bought a early TD5 , had nothing but trouble and the chassis rot out, I spent 1 1/2 days welding up the back end, I never had to weld the 300 at all , I also had a head go on it, maybe I just bought bad one but will never buy another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Dont think the engine choice would make any difference to the amount the chassis rots by sound of it you just got a dog. Tom, I have had a few Land Rovers over the years, I never meant the chassis rot problems where anything to do with the enigines, I remember back to series 2a days with good solid chassis, then LR brought out the series 3 and a lot of people had problems with the chassis rotting prematurely, it turned out the S3 chassis was 1mm (I think) thinner then the S2, I guess they did the same with the Discos, D2 had no problems with chassis rot normally just boot floors and rear wheel arches and of course leaky sun roofs, early D3 TD5's seem to suffer with heads that split and weak chassis, they have some how fixed the boot floor and rear wheel arch problems though. Of course these are just my own experiences. Don't forget LR thought it was a good idea to fit plastic locating dowels to the cylinder heads on the TD5. Edited February 26, 2014 by rimotu66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 My TD5 was pretty damn nippy and it was quite good on fuel, I attribute this to the fact that it ran on a mix of diesel, water and glycol. I changed the head gasket, water pump & stripped and flushed every hose and the chuffing thing was still blowing its water out so figured the head was probably cracked. New head was £1500 (cheeky swines, LR know they have a head fault yet they still charge full whack for the replacement parts!!!) so I thought I'd bite the bullet and convert to a 300 tdi. They do have issues but cost buttons to put right in comparison with the TD5. The 300 wont get you anywhere fast but theres mucho el torko which comes in handy when I have to tow broken down landrovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Bigger intercooler, tweak fuel pump, get rid of egr valve and cat and the old 300tdi ain't too shabby. Edited February 28, 2014 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Both have good and bad points, both can developed coolant leaks and if run with to little coolant will damage the head beyond sensible repair (as will many other makes before any suggests it's a landy trate) Maintained properly both can be very reliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Also, currently there are a lot of 300 discos being broke so a used engine or head is easy to come by, soon enough td5 discos will be a popular breaking vehicle and with that an abundance of used engines / heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC1990 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I got a 300tdi in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav912 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 What year? If its a 1996 check that its had the cambelt mod done if it needed it, mine hadn't and had a healthy appetite for chewing belts up no matter how many genuine mod kits were fitted to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 What year? If its a 1996 check that its had the cambelt mod done if it needed it, mine hadn't and had a healthy appetite for chewing belts up no matter how many genuine mod kits were fitted to it. Agreed, should have a yellow paint dot on top of the cam belt casing, near the alternator I think. Good choice by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC1990 Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 yeah I am going to put a cambelt on it just to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav912 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 It wasn't the actual cambelt that was the problem on that model year, the back plate was mis-machined meaning that the pulleys ran out of line and chewed the belt up. Gets expensive after a while especially when the mod kit doesn't cure the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 2004 onwards your Road Fund Tax will keep going up (No 1) 300 old but not the headache of electrics on TD5 (Engine Managment system) No2 Suspension suspect till altered to manual (Springs ) No 3 Very bad engine for trying to get the heads done, (Expensive) No 4. I think I could go on, but will disappoint to many people who have them and think there the Bee`s Knees. Thats why all the OLD Land Rovers GO UP in Price, and these drop price like a brick.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Eh? No1 td5 starts from 1998, well before the road fund change No2, electrics yes, also more torque and better driveabillity No3, defender on air ? Yet to see one myself, disco yes defender no No4 early td5 suffered with bad heads, all should be sorted by now, plenty around with serious millage on them (well over 200k) and still going strong As home mechanics realise it ain't all that hard to work on they people will become less sceptical, some folk are talking of conversions to fit them in the old series, so times change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Eh? No1 td5 starts from 1998, well before the road fund change No2, electrics yes, also more torque and better driveabillity No3, defender on air ? Yet to see one myself, disco yes defender no No4 early td5 suffered with bad heads, all should be sorted by now, plenty around with serious millage on them (well over 200k) and still going strong As home mechanics realise it ain't all that hard to work on they people will become less sceptical, some folk are talking of conversions to fit them in the old series, so times change! DId I say 2004 start, Do not remember stating 1998. Please Re-Read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 DId I say 2004 start, Do not remember stating 1998. Please Re-Read. It's a mute point, if the td5 started after the road fund change then that'd be fair enough, but the td5 started back in 98 so is available before the road fund change, same as a 300tdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) No the START point Was 2004 for the tax to go up every year, it was to discourage people buying big cars, it doesn`t only apply to TD5`s it applies to all cars this size, AFTER 2004. . My Mates doing his nut, I did tell him to buy before 2004, this way he would have avoided it. so TD5`s Before this date does NOT Apply.. Edited March 4, 2014 by subsonicnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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