CharlieT Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 This - the situation, not the thread (well, OK, just a tad) - is getting silly. All I hope is that the prevarication can drag on for another 18 months - looks as though the LAG is also going to achieve that with ease. Then, all being well, I'll bang in for my final renewal after which I'm out. My sentiments exactly. 2 years till my final renewals, fingers crossed that comes before bostonmick and his ilk have their way! Just think, that'll give me another £500 a year to spend in the Blackcock.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 My sentiments exactly. 2 years till my final renewals, fingers crossed that comes before bostonmick and his ilk have their way! Just think, that'll give me another £500 a year to spend in the Blackcock.................. Haven't been there for a while. If I can fight my way past the Anchor, I'll join you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 My sentiments exactly. 2 years till my final renewals, fingers crossed that comes before bostonmick and his ilk have their way! Just think, that'll give me another £500 a year to spend in the Blackcock.................. I quoted no figure other than we will pay the true cost.i have one last renewal to come then after fifty years of happy shooting I shall hang up my cartridge bag for good.i am a visitor to this forum and another for clay shooting because that's what I do mostly now.i never see any paranoid rants and complaints on the other site yet this one is always full of them problems all the way perhaps it is not the police or home office just maybe its the incumbents of this site who are the key to the problems that are regularly whinged about.my generation has enjoyed many decades of happy shooting without the many problems that seem to beset the modern younger shooter another clue maybe!!. atb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I quoted no figure other than we will pay the true cost.i have one last renewal to come then after fifty years of happy shooting I shall hang up my cartridge bag for good.i am a visitor to this forum and another for clay shooting because that's what I do mostly now.i never see any paranoid rants and complaints on the other site yet this one is always full of them problems all the way perhaps it is not the police or home office just maybe its the incumbents of this site who are the key to the problems that are regularly whinged about.my generation has enjoyed many decades of happy shooting without the many problems that seem to beset the modern younger shooter another clue maybe!!. atb. What drivel ATB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Fool! May I suggest that you stay on the clay web site then, if they are amenable to your deluded thought processes. I quoted no figure other than we will pay the true cost.i have one last renewal to come then after fifty years of happy shooting I shall hang up my cartridge bag for good.i am a visitor to this forum and another for clay shooting because that's what I do mostly now.i never see any paranoid rants and complaints on the other site yet this one is always full of them problems all the way perhaps it is not the police or home office just maybe its the incumbents of this site who are the key to the problems that are regularly whinged about.my generation has enjoyed many decades of happy shooting without the many problems that seem to beset the modern younger shooter another clue maybe!!. atb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Fool! May I suggest that you stay on the clay web site then, if they are amenable to your deluded thought processes. you may suggest whatever you wish,however I have got through life so far without any advice from your good self so will continue in my own manner for what is left of it.and also there are many others from this forum who frequent the other forum and strangely enough they never seem to post complaints either.clay shooting is good for the karma.atb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I quoted no figure other than we will pay the true cost.i have one last renewal to come then after fifty years of happy shooting I shall hang up my cartridge bag for good.i am a visitor to this forum and another for clay shooting because that's what I do mostly now.i never see any paranoid rants and complaints on the other site yet this one is always full of them problems all the way perhaps it is not the police or home office just maybe its the incumbents of this site who are the key to the problems that are regularly whinged about.my generation has enjoyed many decades of happy shooting without the many problems that seem to beset the modern younger shooter another clue maybe!!. atb. In all fairness to you Bostonmick, you mentioned 500 quid for a certificate on another thread, but to your credit you did mention it be for life. Unfortunatley that aint gonna happen either. Paranoia, as far as I'm aware, is based on anxiety pertaining to unfounded fears, but I'm happy to be corrected. Which of the 'problems' in this thread do you claim to be unfounded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 .i have one last renewal to come then after fifty years of happy shooting I shall hang up my cartridge bag for good. That's 3 of us in the Blackcock then, putting the world to rights. The first pints on me and perhaps even the next 3 considering how much I'm going to save on licensing fees and medical reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 In all fairness to you Bostonmick, you mentioned 500 quid for a certificate on another thread, but to your credit you did mention it be for life. Unfortunatley that aint gonna happen either. Paranoia, as far as I'm aware, is based on anxiety pertaining to unfounded fears, but I'm happy to be corrected. Which of the 'problems' in this thread do you claim to be unfounded? the cost of the sgc/fac because it has not risen in years.also the medical letters are not in force so no extra cost there.yet this has taken up thirteen pages so far and this is not the first time it has been on here.it is good to have somewhere to chat about your days shooting.your/ new gun/ your score/anything shooting or country sports related in a light manner.biut this thread has already made up its mind what the home office and police are going to do and are complaining in advance.why cant you just enjoy your shooting.as it should be.atb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 That's 3 of us in the Blackcock then, putting the world to rights. The first pints on me and perhaps even the next 3 considering how much I'm going to save on licensing fees and medical reports that's very kind of you.however I do not drink cant be doing with feeling the after effects.much better putting the money towards your renewals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 that's very kind of you.however I do not drink cant be doing with feeling the after effects.much better putting the money towards your renewals. Oh, Good Oh! Charlie, can I have his, please? If it's going to be another night stop on the floor of the Black Cat I may as well be anesthesiatised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 This thread is getting silly and veering away from the intended topic. Licencing fees are an issue, but if that is to be discussed please start another thread, and allow this one to concentrate on this particular issue. Yes Durham are running a new pilot study - they are perfectly entitled to do this and its perfectly lawful, and as I have said we have ensured that they make it clear that the additional medical forms they send are NOT part of the formal application process and do not have to be returned. They are doing this As to your second point, look at my last post. Is that it? No, you're still ignoring what I say, and therefor my questions. If the police request anything then many people will comply, out of fear that not doing so may stop them getting granted a certificate. Noticing that it isn't a legal requirement isn't enough to make them not comply - so we're still left with the situation of people paying for reports they shouldn't be paying for. Technically it isn't an actual demand, but it amounts to the same thing for many people. What is BASC doing to stop this? Can I ask two questions at once without you trying to wriggle away? The police cannot demand an applicant to supply a report even if the police are reasonable in wanting to investigate the medical history of that person further - so my question is what is being done to stop that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I say again in order to try and stop this I am asking for members who have been asked to send in additional forms or pay for a GP report to let BASC know so we can investigate, we will then do all we can to put a stop to this and as importantly let other members know what's happening in their constabulary area and what to do about it.. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I dont think Bedwards meant that David and you aren't daft, just constrained in what you are allowed to say and I think that is Bedwards point. Perhaps what you are allowed to say or do is not enough - thats his call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 as I understand it david has said that basc are currently in negotiations to sort this and other quirey's.also as most of us know and understand nothing moves fast with government.how many of the people complaining about this medical form have been asked for it and their certificates are being held up because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 as I understand it david has said that basc are currently in negotiations to sort this and other quirey's.also as most of us know and understand nothing moves fast with government.how many of the people complaining about this medical form have been asked for it and their certificates are being held up because of it. as I understand it david has said that basc are currently in negotiations to sort this and other quirey's.also as most of us know and understand nothing moves fast with government.how many of the people complaining about this medical form have been asked for it and their certificates are being held up because of it. Another Mcenroe moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Another Mcenroe moment. I take it that's none then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I take it that's none then Take what you like - yer ook would be best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Take what you like - yer ook would be best. As you say I am off now got to be out early shooting.some of you boys should actually try it now and again.a lot more fun than living on here.goodnight all. Take what you like - yer ook would be best. As you say I am off now got to be out early shooting.some of you boys should actually try it now and again.a lot more fun than living on here.goodnight all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) the cost of the sgc/fac because it has not risen in years.Eh? How do you claim that is unfounded paranoia ? also the medical letters are not in force so no extra cost there.Have you been out of the country or something? There are many instances of people paying this 'extra cost' out of fear of what none compliance will have on their applications. Most of them are newbies I'll admit, for whom fear of none compliance is extremely daunting. Do we just turn a blind eye in these instances ? yet this has taken up thirteen pages so far and this is not the first time it has been on here.No one is forcing you to take part are they? it is good to have somewhere to chat about your days shooting.your/ new gun/ your score/anything shooting or country sports related in a light manner.biut this thread has already made up its mind what the home office and police are going to do and are complaining in advance. Eh? I've related what I was told regarding the matter of a GP's report and it's likelihood for becoming part of the licensing process by a senior BASC representative when I called to ask what they were doing regarding the request for applicants to submit a GP's report at the applicants cost, and so far no one from BASC or any other shooting organisation has contradicted that information. why cant you just enjoy your shooting.as it should be.atb Being self employed means it is very rare at this time of year ( or anytime of year now I think about it ) that a day goes by without me getting out with one gun or another. I enjoy it immensely, which is why I'm keen on fighting to keep it. Edited May 27, 2014 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I've related what I was told regarding the matter of a GP's report and it's likelihood for becoming part of the licensing process by a senior BASC representative when I called to ask what they were doing regarding the request for applicants to submit a GP's report at the applicants cost, and so far no one from BASC or any other shooting organisation has contradicted that information. Can you enlighten us David.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Its still being discussed with ACPO and the HO - hence the pilots being run by some licencing teams. No firm decisions have been made to change nothing form the current sate of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) the cost of the sgc/fac because it has not risen in years.Eh? How do you claim that is unfounded paranoia ? also the medical letters are not in force so no extra cost there.Have you been out of the country or something? There are many instances of people paying this 'extra cost' out of fear of what none compliance will have on their applications. Most of them are newbies I'll admit, for whom fear of none compliance is extremely daunting. Do we just turn a blind eye in these instances ? yet this has taken up thirteen pages so far and this is not the first time it has been on here.No one is forcing you to take part are they? it is good to have somewhere to chat about your days shooting.your/ new gun/ your score/anything shooting or country sports related in a light manner.biut this thread has already made up its mind what the home office and police are going to do and are complaining in advance. Eh? I've related what I was told regarding the matter of a GP's report and it's likelihood for becoming part of the licensing process by a senior BASC representative when I called to ask what they were doing regarding the request for applicants to submit a GP's report at the applicants cost, and so far no one from BASC or any other shooting organisation has contradicted that information. why cant you just enjoy your shooting.as it should be.atb Being self employed means it is very rare at this time of year ( or anytime of year now I think about it ) that a day goes by without me getting out with one gun or another. I enjoy it immensely, which is why I'm keen on fighting to keep it. So no definite instances then just conjecture. As has been pointed out many times the forces that are asking for the gp letter are also stating on their forms that it is not a legal requirement. I would have thought that as all information you put on your applications has to be spot on that people would read the forms properly so therefore not go into panic mode and pay for letters.on the cost it is only on here that figures on any rise are being quoted as if I remember correctly it was not that long ago the police were refused the right to increase by Cameron.I dare say it will rise because everything does and as you say you are self employed you would understand that as I am sure your charges would have risen in the past ten years.so as there has been no change to either the cost or the requirements in law at the moment it is all conjecture and unfounded.rumour at best.atb Edited May 28, 2014 by bostonmick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) So no definite instances then just conjecture. I find it frustratingly difficuilt in holding a conversation with you bostonmick as I can't work out whether you have genuine problems in understanding what has been written or whether its just deliberate pig ignorant obstinance. As I've already stated, there are many instances of applicants paying the cost of a GP's report when requested to do so by some licensing authorities. It isn't conjecture; it is happening. As I also said, it is often newbies and first time applicants who are doing this because they fear the consequences of none compliance regardless of what the shooting organisations are saying. It is happening. It isn't conjecture, I don't know how to make it clearer. As has been pointed out many times the forces that are asking for the gp letter are also stating on their forms that it is not a legal requirement. And has been pointed out many times also, we know this, but for a first time applicant in dealing with the police the act of non compliance is daunting. Do you suggest we just say,' that's your problem' and leave it at that ? So much for solidarity eh. I would have thought that as all information you put on your applications has to be spot on that people would read the forms properly so therefore not go into panic mode and pay for letters.Well, unfortunately you thought wrong I'm afraid. I've just told you what's happening...again. on the cost it is only on here that figures on any rise are being quoted as if I remember correctly it was not that long ago the police were refused the right to increase by Cameron. Yes, you're correct. I dare say it will rise because everything does and as you say you are self employed you would understand that as I am sure your charges would have risen in the past ten years. This is totally irrelevant as my income is not funded by the taxpayer as the police budget is, and therefore the licensing fee, or in this case the cost of a GP's letter is, as it comes from the same budget. so as there has been no change to either the cost or the requirements in law at the moment it is all conjecture and unfounded.rumour at best. The cost is conjecture; I don't recall anyone claiming otherwise. The requirements in law is not conjecture, nor rumour however. It is based on information I received over the phone from a prominent BASC representative who assured me the compulsory GP's letter was 'coming; there is nothing we can do about it'. Not one of the shooting organisations has refuted this .They may well be involved in ongoing discussions with the HO etc, but not to have the practice stopped, only to see who foots the bill when the GP's letter becomes compulsory. If anyone doubts my word all they have to do is visit the BASC website, fill in the requirements with your email, membership number etc, and then ask your question. I have done this twice now regarding this matter, and twice have been contacted within the day. Can't fault BASC there.atb Edited May 28, 2014 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Scully, please tell me who the predominant BASC representative was so I can go and talk with them to get their side of the story Also, as you keep saying that many shooters are being told to foot the bill for GP report, you evidently have contact with them so please ask them to contact me with full details of their constabulary, what documentation was sent regarding this, and how much they paid. thanks David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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