.223 or 22-250

[coupe312]

Guy's is there a advantage of a .22-250 over a .223 or the other way round?

 

either would be fitted with a sound mod,

 

FEO call round to check my cabinate and i questioned him on making a small variation to 22-250.

 

quiet a few have said a 22-250 is a more suitable round for foxing.

 

 

 

help me miffy, Frank, john and all others

[JohnGalway]

Frank & Fister (I think, he was going under another name at the time too) had an indepth and honestly hillarious series of threads on this subject last year.

 

AFAIR(emember) the pros of the 22-250 are longer range & flatter shooting. Con being a shorter barrel life (don't shoot me I'm just the messenger), possibly more expensive to run but don't quote me on that one.

 

.223 would be cheaper to shoot and have a longer barrel life. Con would be not as far reaching and more bullet drop at range.

 

I've a .223 so I'm biased. I don't know what your terrain is like but for here a .223 is perfect for the job. I don't particularly want to try taking long range shots on foxes at night. If I think of anything else I'll stick it in later

[deadeye ive]

Look here

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...howtopic=26564#

[coupe312]

Frank & Fister (I think, he was going under another name at the time too) had an indepth and honestly hillarious series of threads on this subject last year.

 

AFAIR(emember) the pros of the 22-250 are longer range & flatter shooting. Con being a shorter barrel life (don't shoot me I'm just the messenger), possibly more expensive to run but don't quote me on that one.

 

.223 would be cheaper to shoot and have a longer barrel life. Con would be not as far reaching and more bullet drop at range.

 

I've a .223 so I'm biased. I don't know what your terrain is like but for here a .223 is perfect for the job. I don't particularly want to try taking long range shots on foxes at night. If I think of anything else I'll stick it in later

 

very quick reply...

 

thanks

May main shoot is very exposed so winds can get strong.

 

i have been told the 22-250 seam to shoot a little flatter but herd nothing about barrel wear?

help. FEo will only give a variation for either or so need to let em know. . . only took 10 week for my farmer to write the bloody letter though... But to be fair he is stressing at the moment 4 baby on the way......

 

 

oh than by the way john... keep em comming

[Peter_HMR]

As was said 22/250 will shoot a good bit flatter and good to 400 yards more if you've the equipment range finders and solid rest and you know the tradjectory well. With a 75yard zero the bullet will only rise 1.5" and come back to zero at 250yards.

 

Possibility of it becoming legal for deer or if your bringing it to scotland.

 

.223 has the advantages of there being alot more people shooting it so alot better ammo choice cheaper and alot of guns chambered in it things like an ar15 if thats your fancy

 

Both are excellent callibres i would favour the 22/250 as you can pick up a very good second hand gun for not very much and for hunting only ammo cost isnt a factor really and i like the tradjectory

[Browning]

Coupe,

 

I've owned and reloaded both rounds, the .22-250 is a very good round, as is the .223.

 

The .22-250 is supposed to be a bit of a barrel burner, but you'll need to shoot a heck of a lot

to wear it out!

 

The benefits of the .22-250 over the .223 are, as already mentioned, longer range, flatter trajectory, BUT if

the majority of your foxing will be done with a lamp, then none if this matters, because your range will be limited.

 

The .223 is a very capable round, far far quieter than the .22-250, even when modified, so this may affect your decision. It is also cheaper to run, which may make a difference if you're shooting lots.

 

I now use a .243 for all my foxing, but if I ever go back to .22 centrefire, then I will go with the .223.

[JohnGalway]

The benefits of the .22-250 over the .223 are, as already mentioned, longer range, flatter trajectory, BUT if

the majority of your foxing will be done with a lamp, then none if this matters, because your range will be limited.

 

[stevethevanman]

It is also said that foxes are mostly at 100-150yds when lamping so at this range when lamping both calibers are in the same boat as your range is limited

[il cacciatore]

Compared with .223:

 

Advantages:

• Flatter trajectory
  
• Greater range
  
• Excellent accuracy
  
• Good wind tolerance
  

Disadvantages:

• Noisy
  
• Not a great selection of guns
  
• Wears barrels out
  
• Expensive ammo
  

A very good round indeed.

[weejohn]

I would have to say go for the .22-250,as everyone else says really flat tragectory and it hits really hard, i dont know what the cost of .223 ammo is but the last time i paid £18.90 for 20 of the .22-250 remington accutip

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

In use there is sod all difference simply because 95% of the foxes shot in the Uk are at less than 200 yards range.

 

In my time I've had two 0.223's and one 22-250. All were (are) good guns but I now have a 0.223 simply because most of my foxes are shot at less than 200 yards. At night less than 150 yards normally.

 

If you are to shoot over big flat fields then a 22-250 might be a slight advantage, but not much.

 

A fox has a very slight frame and skeleton, and a 0.223 is ample in the power stakes.

 

Don

[Frank]

.223 all the way and dont look back,

 

Frank.

[miffy]

I'm with Fister on this one .22/250 everytime

 

My .22/250 grouped as well as Fisters pic if not better (as does my .243 now)

 

I burnt the barrel out of my .22/250 after 2000+ rounds of shooting but had things been different it would possibly have shot alot longer

[hawkeye]

.223 all the way and dont look back,

 

Frank.

[colin.y]

My opinion is

both calibers are great but if your new and not shot a center fire before get a .223 this will give you alot more target shooting for the same price ,.223 ammo is alot cheaper

I love the 22/250 round and i think it would do the job better but sod paying £20+ for 20 bullets

Home loading is the way to go but you will need alot of help to get going on that

[miffy]

My opinion is

both calibers are great but if your new and not shot a center fire before get a .223 this will give you alot more target shooting for the same price ,.223 ammo is alot cheaper

I love the 22/250 round and i think it would do the job better but sod paying £20+ for 20 bullets

Home loading is the way to go but you will need alot of help to get going on that

 

And what if "cheap" .223 ammo doesn't group well in his rifle?

[colin.y]

My opinion is

both calibers are great but if your new and not shot a center fire before get a .223 this will give you alot more target shooting for the same price ,.223 ammo is alot cheaper

I love the 22/250 round and i think it would do the job better but sod paying £20+ for 20 bullets

Home loading is the way to go but you will need alot of help to get going on that

 

And what if "cheap" .223 ammo doesn't group well in his rifle?

he won`t be shooting much then !!!!

 

well that is the same problem with any rifle dosn`t matter what caliber but .223 ammo is cheaper than 22/250 by about £5 per 20 at a guess .I havn`t bought any laely so i don`t know the current prices

 

.223 ammo is alot cheaper

I love the 22/250 round and i think it would do the job better but sod paying £20+ for 20 bullets

Home loading is the way to go but you will need alot of help to get going on that

 

But that is just not true.

 

Difference in cost of a home load is probably 2 or 3p for the increased powder charge.

 

"Quality or Premium" Centrefire ammunition in either calibre is comparable from the likes of federal, winchester, remington etc.

 

Compare apples with apples, please.

 

i have never seen .223 ammo for the same price as 22/250 .

22/250 is often many ££££ more ,reason size of case!!!

If this chap is a new bie to rifle shoting it is not wise to push him into home loading now that is for later on .

factory ammo will be the way to go at first

 

my point was that .223 ammo is cheaper than .22/250

and that is why i would choose .223 for a first centerfire

agreee!!!

[colin.y]

"I havn`t bought any laely so i don`t know the current prices"

 

Awsome self explanatory comment really isnt it. And no, i didn't ommit the characters.

 

I love this and its good work towards my 1000th post badge.

are you saying the .223 ammo is the same price as .22/250 then?

 

i am sure it isn`t ,if needed i will look into it

i am dam sure federal ammo for both i know which one i would choose for price

[miffy]

"I havn`t bought any laely so i don`t know the current prices"

 

Awsome self explanatory comment really isnt it. And no, i didn't ommit the characters.

 

I love this and its good work towards my 1000th post badge.

 

[Graham M]

May main shoot is very exposed so winds can get strong.

Then the 22-250 isn't the tool for the job as it is still sending a .224 bullet downrange at high velocity. This will still be affected by wind/air pressure and will deflect as much as a .223.

The rifle you really want in windy areas is a .243 with a 70grn bullet.

G.M.

[Frank]

Over here, .22-250 ammo, is far more expensive then .223 ammo.

 

Frank.

[coupe312]

I'm stuck with a .243 as south yorkshire police won't allow a .243 for foxs and deer unless i have already got some deer stalking booked.

 

so it is between the .223 and 22-250.

 

price of amunition seems very simalar unless i use AE stuff which is nearly half price of everything else.

 

they have given me chance to think it over as i crginal apply for a .223 but the FEO said why not a 22-250 for extended range, and i do experance higher wind where i shoot.

 

i havent home loaded ever but i will proable go that way latter on.... will pester miffy for help there i think...

 

i do have a .308 and have been using it for target only for the last year.

 

thanks for all you help

guy they seam to be quiet a few if/ whats and but over this one.....

 

22-250 do seam cheaper to buy which would make buying a better quality optics easyer on the pocket...

[Graham M]

I’ve written this before –

 

FOX-

 

13.23-

Common rifle cartridges considered

suitable for the shooting of foxes range from

.17 Remington, and .22 Hornet to .22 -250

and .220 Swift, though there is a wide range

of suitable similar calibres commercially

available. In windy areas, where heavier bullets

aid accurate shooting, or if applicants wish to

use one rifle for shooting both deer and foxes

they may choose a rifle in 6mm (.243/.244) or

6.5mm (.264)

 

Note the wording-

 

It clearly states that you can use a .243 “In windy areas†OR “If applicants wish to

use one rifle for shooting both deer and foxesâ€

 

This is Home Office guidance, not what your local South Yorkshire Firearms Dep’t wish to impose.

G.M.

[coupe312]

I’ve written this before –

 

FOX-

 

13.23-

Common rifle cartridges considered

suitable for the shooting of foxes range from

.17 Remington, and .22 Hornet to .22 -250

and .220 Swift, though there is a wide range

of suitable similar calibres commercially

available. In windy areas, where heavier bullets

aid accurate shooting, or if applicants wish to

use one rifle for shooting both deer and foxes

they may choose a rifle in 6mm (.243/.244) or

6.5mm (.264)

 

Note the wording-

 

It clearly states that you can use a .243 “In windy areas†OR “If applicants wish to

use one rifle for shooting both deer and foxesâ€

 

This is Home Office guidance, not what your local South Yorkshire Firearms Dep’t wish to impose.

G.M.

 

 

might be worth bringing that up!!! thanks GM