spandit Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 If I had the space for it on my certificate, could a friend lend me a rifle (not talking about estate rifle) if we both entered the transaction on our respective certs & notified the police? Are there any gun shops around that will rent rifles? I'd like to buy a .17HMR but don't want to drop a few hundred quid on one to find out I don't like it so would like to try a few Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 you are talking about joint authority (not ownership) Your friend would add his rifle to your certficate but not as a sale or gift best to clear it with your and his respective FEO's the issue comes with access to the cabinet and any other firearms that may be kept with it but not on your FAC so long as you satisfy the security criteria there is no problem I have three firearms that are on my FAC but not mine, two different owners two different locations, three if you count mine! no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 no problems Apart from the fact I don't know anyone with a 17HMR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Non starter. you aren't allowed to do any of this and kind of borrow one for an afternoon to try one out and shops don't lend / hire out weapons to just. It isn't going to happen because you have to have a slot for the weapon & ammunition and clearance for where you are going to use it Ect Ect. you can do it for a limited period with a shotgun but not a pt 1 firearm. unless as stated in previous you do have a ticket with the necessary authority and it is a shared use / ownership. that's another can to open. The best angle is to try and find someone that you can go out with to see what one is like but if they were to hand it over to you to use then both of you would be in breach of conditions. him for giving a weapon to an unauthorized user and you for being in possession of a weapon without lawful authority. both situations are serious hand smacking offences. It's a pain but that's how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I find it odd that I could legitimately buy a rifle from a shop & take it back the next day (albeit not for a full refund unless it was faulty) but I guess there's too much paperwork to make it worthwhile. I'm unclear in your second scenario what would make me an "unauthorised user" if I am licenced to own the gun but don't happen to own it. I wasn't trying to avoid filling in transfer slots on the FAC, you understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) your post jumped my reply. What do you intend to use the 17 for? have you got a ticket with authority to possess a 17 and how much ground have you got to use it over? Edit >>our posts seem to be at a timing /meaning crossover. I can see what you want to do but it is unpractical because of the problem of putting it on and off of ticket as in regard to the firearms department. The obvious thing is to go and ask the firearms department about this. there might be a way around this impasse but I cant see it happening in reality because if everyone was changing firearms on a daily basis the police would have no control over firearms because the system would never keep up and no one would know who had got what or when. it would just be chaos. like I previously wrote it just ain't going to happen in the real world. Edited June 1, 2014 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Ah, I see where the confusion lies. I have a "ticket " (slot on my FAC) to buy and use a 17HMR on my own land for vermin control but I don't own one yet. I think we've been at cross purposes here. Surely I'm not the only person who would like to "try before you buy"? Edited June 1, 2014 by spandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 why a 17hmr? expensive ammo, noisy, too much for rabbit, perhaps not enough for long range fox. several hundred for sale on guntrader show this. use 22rf on rabbit 243 downloaded on fox and uploaded for deer. simple. but that's not what you asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Less chance of ricochet than with a .22 (which I already own) and longer range. I have a .223 for fox. Besides, who needs an excuse to buy new toys (just don't tell my wife, please!)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) why a 17hmr? expensive ammo, noisy, too much for rabbit, perhaps not enough for long range fox. several hundred for sale on guntrader show this. use 22rf on rabbit 243 downloaded on fox and uploaded for deer. simple. but that's not what you asked. That is the worst advice Ive heard in a long time, 17hmr too much for rabbit and 243 downloaded for fox. Must be April 1st again. Edited June 1, 2014 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 That is the worst advice Ive heard in a long time, 17hmr too much for rabbit and 243 downloaded for fox. Must be April 1st again. +1 HMR is a rabbit gun ok for crows not really a dedicated fox gun. Why down load a 243 to kill fox? Personally don't mind meat damage on foxes I don't eat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Yes, you could do so. However, the big bugbear is the fact that once used your authority to acquire is used therefore when you give the rifle back you will have to put in a variation for another authority to acquire. If you can live with that the way forward is for the rifle to be put on your license as "let on hire" or "lent" by the owner who would still retain the rifle on his license. I practice this is the same as two people sharing a rifle, something that is quite common. The owner would need to advise his licensing manager that he has not disposed of the rifle, but has entered the rifle on your license as lent and the rifle will appear on both licenses. You would also need to inform your licensing manager of the acquisition and again when you gave it back. If you lived closer you could have borrowed mine. Doing this will save the lender from having to apply for a variation to have the rifle put back on his licence. It is possible to hire a rifle, obviously with a vacant "slot", hence the box on your FAC includes "let on hire". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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