figgy Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Have any of you tried the new batch of Eley Lightning cartridges. I have just bought my stock for this year and next as we rarely shoot the amount we would like to. Still got carts from two seasons ago. The website now lists the speed as 1410 fps 430 mps which is a lot slower than the 510 mps they were saying before, more realistic real world speeds or have they ruined the latest offering after worries on pressures. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Have any of you tried the new batch of Eley Lightning cartridges. I have just bought my stock for this year and next as we rarely shoot the amount we would like to. Still got carts from two seasons ago. The website now lists the speed as 1410 fps 430 mps which is a lot slower than the 510 mps they were saying before, more realistic real world speeds or have they ruined the latest offering after worries on pressures. Figgy worries? pressure? that sounds awfully like cip steel to me...... the best thing fot you to do is stop with this speed thing. just use #2s for duck and minimum BBs for goose. very easily achieved with factory loads and homeloads. its the shot that does the damage not the +200fps above normal speeds. some guys in the states are shooting 6mm steel at 1300fps. at normal shotgun ranges. most american lead loads do 1200fps.... hence why they go on about speed steel at 1300-1400fps. the traditional american lead loads are 32g loads at 1200fps (thats an ultra classic shell for 12gauge) i say ultra because that about were black powder stops, and old nitro powder started, and newer nitro powders (reddot, clays and others) still can produce the same loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobshooting Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I'm just like you in preferring a fast cartridge, most especially at clays, lyalvale express world cup 28gm are 1500fps. When my local gun-shop twit stopped selling them,(not enough demand), my scores didn't go down, they are just the same........rubbish. It's all nonsense, cookoff013 is correct, shoot with any decent cartridge at a decent range the results won't differ much. If you can get them try Bornaghi 36gm steel shot. I use 4s, because that's all the same gun-shop twit stocks,(not enough demand, sigh); everyone I know who shoots them likes them. No idea how fast they go, but they work just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I'm just like you in preferring a fast cartridge, most especially at clays, lyalvale express world cup 28gm are 1500fps. When my local gun-shop twit stopped selling them,(not enough demand), my scores didn't go down, they are just the same........rubbish. It's all nonsense, cookoff013 is correct, shoot with any decent cartridge at a decent range the results won't differ much. If you can get them try Bornaghi 36gm steel shot. I use 4s, because that's all the same gun-shop twit stocks,(not enough demand, sigh); everyone I know who shoots them likes them. No idea how fast they go, but they work just fine. What gunshop are you on about Bob? PM if you'd prefer. I plan on getting some lightenings next time i can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobshooting Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 What gunshop are you on about Bob? PM if you'd prefer. I plan on getting some lightenings next time i can. I'd be grateful if you are successful in buying some lightnings if you wouldn't mind telling me where and the price mate. I'll give the s0ds a go, I can't hit a cow's ar$e with a banjo most days anyway, so what's to lose? I've PM the gunsmiths, don't take my comments wrong, they've always been great in our dealings, I've bought 2 guns there, no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) I'm not that bothered to be honest about the extra 200 fps, if they are about the same as speed as my clay loads great. My only concern is that we know with steel speed kills, if the original recipe was allegedly 1640 fps but folk who chronoed it said more like 1400. If the new recipe batch are stated at 1410 are they in reality near subsonic or are they being more honest with the speed. Think I'll try a few on the clays see what they are like. I always used gamebore but they are scarce up my way this year so I ordered Eley thinking they are a good price and folk said they had good kills with them. Got a slab of 36g no3 and a slab of 36g no1 aswell as the gamebores from last years so still got about twenty or thirty 42g bb carts. Figgy Edited July 12, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobshooting Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I've given up on anything larger than 36gm mate, I've found that I can miss in just the same efficient manner with a cheaper cartridge.........32 gm here I come, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Perhaps they are just being more accurate in their claims now! David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I'm not that bothered to be honest about the extra 200 fps, if they are about the same as speed as my clay loads great. My only concern is that we know with steel speed kills, if the original recipe was allegedly 1640 fps but folk who chronoed it said more like 1400. If the new recipe batch are stated at 1410 are they in reality near subsonic or are they being more honest with the speed. Think I'll try a few on the clays see what they are like. I always used gamebore but they are scarce up my way this year so I ordered Eley thinking they are a good price and folk said they had good kills with them. Got a slab of 36g no3 and a slab of 36g no1 aswell as the gamebores from last years so still got about twenty or thirty 42g bb carts. Figgy Near subsonic? that 1050 fps mark not 1400 fps. 1400 fps in a number 2 steel load will kill duck and geese very,very well even at some range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Well been out today at the clays and took a few to try at some good targets. No noticeable difference speed or lead wise than my clay loads, so plenty fast enough, but by do they hit hard at both ends. 40 yard clay was giving dust with the 3 shot. Word to the wise if you suffer with recoil don't shoot the 36g ones through an OU unless your ready for it, give me a right kick and face slap. Semi auto only from now on. Can't wait to try them on the ducks and geese. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Near subsonic? that 1050 fps mark not 1400 fps. 1400 fps in a number 2 steel load will kill duck and geese very,very well even at some range Not saying they are subsonic, was just wondering if they were as much below the claimed speed of the first batch they released. Eley claimed they were doing 1640fps but lads who tested them were getting more in region of 1400fps. My question was if they now claim 1410fps is this the true speed they will do or exaggerated like the first lot which would put them down near the subsonic speeds, by the time you take a couple hundred fps off claimed speed of latest batch. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 I see your point figgy, but reading what you said about recoil I'd guess they're now closer to the stated speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Probably not but quick powder, gives a hell of a kick when not expecting it. A lot more than your usual heavy game load. Hope for good things from them as I know how far my usual cartridges reach and pattern well, looking for this lot to do same. Roll on September, working right near the marsh I shoot on so keep seeing al the birds flighting as Im working nights at the moment. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Probably not but quick powder, gives a hell of a kick when not expecting it. A lot more than your usual heavy game load. Hope for good things from them as I know how far my usual cartridges reach and pattern well, looking for this lot to do same. Roll on September, working right near the marsh I shoot on so keep seeing al the birds flighting as Im working nights at the moment. Figgy Correct fast steel recoils different from a heavy lead load. Many spoil their chances on the marsh with light guns and hard punching shells, notice it and its having an effect on your shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Probably not but quick powder, gives a hell of a kick when not expecting it. A lot more than your usual heavy game load. Hope for good things from them as I know how far my usual cartridges reach and pattern well, looking for this lot to do same. Roll on September, working right near the marsh I shoot on so keep seeing al the birds flighting as Im working nights at the moment. Figgy Think I'll stick to the 10 bore for geese and got a load of bismuth to use through the 12 when duck is to be the main quarry. It would be interesting to see the recoil comparison between those new steel loads and some of my bismuth shells as some of them are 1 5/8 oz 6s! (Factory loads) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Don't know the difference with your bismuth but the bismuth I've shot we're no different to normal game shells. I'm not that recoil sensitive being as big as I am but the Eley gave my face a good slap and puch in the shoulder. You do tend to alter your mount a little to adjust for this next time. But not expecting it would most times cause a miss. I was ready and missed over the top as it pushed me back and made the muzzles climb on firing. These are no worse than the Remington 3" I once put through the gun a couple of years ago after being given it. The lad who gave me it had a smile of knowing when it went bang. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Must be a fast powder then as I know shooting steel clay loads the recoil is a bit sharper but like you I'm not very recoil sensitive, think the last cartridge that gave me a good punch was when I used some rc50s when I was 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Being sensitive to recoil has nothing to do with a guys size, one of the smallest guys I know shoots a .375 as his regular deer gun and does so very well. The only factor size helps is being able to handle a heavier gun and weight is your friend as regards recoil. If you notice it then its having an effect, if you find one day you can shoot better averages with a lighter recoiling shell you have proved the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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