Three Hares Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Do any of you guys know the best ( as in cheapest) store to get non-toxic loads for my "goose gun". Don't really want to go down the re-loading road as I think this could be even more expensive Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Not sure how reloading would be the more expensive route, as you'll be making cartridges for less than the retail price. Add in the factor that you can fine tune the loads to your required use, as opposed to the compromise of what the factories offer, i.e. 3 1/2", 3", 2 7/8", 2 3/4", steel shot, hevishot, bismuth, etc. Yes, there is the initial cost outlay on the reloading kit, but as long as you look after it then you be able to sell it for at least what you paid for it...and if you chance into a bargain then you may end up selling it at a slight profit. Reloading is also a good hobby in itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Posting costs and numbers required are rendering me unable to respond. Likely as not its the guy closest to you if your looking at a few boxes a season. Reloading can be done for component costs plus say £40 for a RTO and say £20 for a small digital scale, you wont get good factory for less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 the 10 bore recoups £ faster than any other gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 the 10 bore recoups £ faster than any other gauge. Is that right? I always thought it was the stuff like .410 and 28ga? Not doubting just questioning, I did it with the ten because availability was patchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 There's Remington steel and gamebore black rhino off the shelf steel loads There are some bismuth and itm shells about but very pricey As stated its what your local stockists have in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 the 10gauge recoups faster per shell. take.... just cartridges, 10gauge are at most £1.9 a pop. the cheapest is £1.2 a pop. with a standard /1000 2oz load is £170 in lead. wads are £75per 1000. primers £30 cases, 3-4 uses? £200 that leaves not far off £800 left over to pay for powder.... i bet it could be done saving alot of money. buy euro powder, that`d do it easy. it`d pay for the reloader too. edit, these are lead loads....... the 10gauge recoups faster per shell. take.... just cartridges, 10gauge are at most £1.9 a pop. the cheapest is £1.2 a pop. with a standard /1000 2oz load is £170 in lead. wads are £75per 1000. primers £30 cases, 3-4 uses? £200 that leaves not far off £800 left over to pay for powder.... i bet it could be done saving alot of money. buy euro powder, that`d do it easy. it`d pay for the reloader too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Ah, yes I get were your coming from now but for most 10 ga users its more like 100 a go to buy not 1000 I got Remington Nitro steel at just over a £1 a pop but only bought about 125-150 and I still have some unfired, the rest were my initial stock of cases. Its false economy for most of us goose guys to get such quantities of components or loaded shells, what might I do with 100 dead foreshore geese each year if I shot say 200 shells a season? 1000 is around ten years stock in reality that's still a couple or so geese a week in season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Ah, yes I get were your coming from now but for most 10 ga users its more like 100 a go to buy not 1000 I got Remington Nitro steel at just over a £1 a pop but only bought about 125-150 and I still have some unfired, the rest were my initial stock of cases. Its false economy for most of us goose guys to get such quantities of components or loaded shells, what might I do with 100 dead foreshore geese each year if I shot say 200 shells a season? 1000 is around ten years stock in reality that's still a couple or so geese a week in season Ken, that's justification not economics. There are some people who go through 500 a season. Regardless of quantities the price would still be comparable. It is not false economy How do you justify stuff? If you shoot those low volumes then reloading isn't for you! You still will recoup at the same rate, shell for shell. Its just your usage will take 5 years. Or 1000 shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 I can load a 10 gauge shell for close to 50p. Any factory load is at least a quid. I bought a mec to load with, but wasn't worried about recouping costs. I enjoy making custom loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 @ motty.... thats a 50% saving over factory. that is amazing, with 12gauge i came close to breaking even twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 More than break even with 12-bore, but that's because 90% of my loads for the caliber are solid slug... Some have an RRP over a quid...loading outlay is the cost of primer and powder. Free lead from the range/cast the slugs myself...got lots of powder & primers with a 2nd hand press (enough to last a decade or more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Ken, that's justification not economics. There are some people who go through 500 a season. Regardless of quantities the price would still be comparable. It is not false economy How do you justify stuff? If you shoot those low volumes then reloading isn't for you! You still will recoup at the same rate, shell for shell. Its just your usage will take 5 years. Or 1000 shells. Its not false economy at all and at 50% kill to cartridge what the heck does a 500 shell a year guy do with 250 geese? I don't know any fowler who shoots anything like that in "wildfowling" in all honesty as many clubs require shells fired and kills recorded you cannot afford to end on a 1-5 ratio My point relates to the cost of holding and spending on stock when high quantities are paid for but not used for long periods. In fact if I worked out it cost me slightly more a shell the fact that I have ammo on tap in the right shot type and size makes it worthwhile on its own. Season gone with the Changes in Remington distribution stock for last season was limited to who had some in left from last season. As it is I recon I get better loads for very slightly less cost Its very easy to justify loading for the ten as it is about £20 in fuel to collect 10 ga shells, in the travel time I could have made 50 on my kitchen table! Also you also have to take what can be had if that's no2 when you wanted BBB - tough! A RTO costs very little and its not commercial production for profit I seek (if it was trust me I should have my sights on far bigger things and my hands would be nowhere near the tools) You see 10 ga is very, very different as a product. I can see a pest control guy using a lot of subsonic .410 say and a pigeon or clay guy using lots of 12 ga but if anyone set out making 10ga commercially they should keep it very much a sideline with occasional production runs, perhaps just through august each year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Its not false economy at all and at 50% kill to cartridge what the heck does a 500 shell a year guy do with 250 geese? I don't know any fowler who shoots anything like that in "wildfowling" in all honesty as many clubs require shells fired and kills recorded you cannot afford to end on a 1-5 ratio My point relates to the cost of holding and spending on stock when high quantities are paid for but not used for long periods. In fact if I worked out it cost me slightly more a shell the fact that I have ammo on tap in the right shot type and size makes it worthwhile on its own. Season gone with the Changes in Remington distribution stock for last season was limited to who had some in left from last season. As it is I recon I get better loads for very slightly less cost Its very easy to justify loading for the ten as it is about £20 in fuel to collect 10 ga shells, in the travel time I could have made 50 on my kitchen table! Also you also have to take what can be had if that's no2 when you wanted BBB - tough! A RTO costs very little and its not commercial production for profit I seek (if it was trust me I should have my sights on far bigger things and my hands would be nowhere near the tools) You see 10 ga is very, very different as a product. I can see a pest control guy using a lot of subsonic .410 say and a pigeon or clay guy using lots of 12 ga but if anyone set out making 10ga commercially they should keep it very much a sideline with occasional production runs, perhaps just through august each year? what he does with the game he shoots is his business, not mine. At no point did i ever say he shot 250 geese a year. but he reloads 500shells for the season. i`m lead to believe he reloads steel and big shot. for him it works, i`d love to go shooting the amount he does, he spends half the year assembling components, having good runs of making shells. his son is a keen wildfowler aswell, but not as active. if i shot the volume he did, then there is a justification for the calibre and volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 what he does with the game he shoots is his business, not mine. At no point did i ever say he shot 250 geese a year. but he reloads 500shells for the season. i`m lead to believe he reloads steel and big shot. for him it works, i`d love to go shooting the amount he does, he spends half the year assembling components, having good runs of making shells. his son is a keen wildfowler aswell, but not as active. if i shot the volume he did, then there is a justification for the calibre and volume. Fine so its 250 each? Or is he loading for others also? I am sure there are some who fire five hundred a season and kill a dozen geese, I have certainly seen people treating shotguns like anti aircraft guns before now. Honestly if you run a poll most wildfowlers do not fire a great amount of ammo a year especially when we are talking about 10 ga. If I had to place a bet I bet the average is 100 fired but there are people on here who compile such info for their club. The point on the geese is they cannot be sold so you eat them or dump them, no wildfowler will dump geese he has worked hard for and no fellow wildfowler will forgive if they are caught doing it. if you give them away and I know a few who kill a lot more geese than I will and they generally have to pluck and prepare them for the recipient as I have been told that in itself focuses you mind about what you carry off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Fine so its 250 each? Or is he loading for others also? I am sure there are some who fire five hundred a season and kill a dozen geese, I have certainly seen people treating shotguns like anti aircraft guns before now. Honestly if you run a poll most wildfowlers do not fire a great amount of ammo a year especially when we are talking about 10 ga. If I had to place a bet I bet the average is 100 fired but there are people on here who compile such info for their club. The point on the geese is they cannot be sold so you eat them or dump them, no wildfowler will dump geese he has worked hard for and no fellow wildfowler will forgive if they are caught doing it. if you give them away and I know a few who kill a lot more geese than I will and they generally have to pluck and prepare them for the recipient as I have been told that in itself focuses you mind about what you carry off. no, not 250 each.... i`m unaware if he`s loading for others, if he is it would be going against his character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Ok just saying I know of nobody who shoots 500 of such shells a season, indeed I don't no any who might fire that many duck and goose shells combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 A good flight early season for me would be a dozen or so shots at duck and geese as the season goes on the shots go down to lucky if I get a shot per fight sometimes nothing for four or five flights. Any hundreds is some going but if folk have many marshes and farms to shoot on it doable. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 i`m lead to believe he shoots a minimum of a couple of times a week. he goes out alot, he travels a fair bit for it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 just saying I perhaps do 3-4 flights a week very rarely will I take more than 25 shells out after duck and I actually wouldn't take 25 out on a goose flight even if I was going on one of the top marshes in the country were you might have many thousand fly over, reason not just being conservation a dozen geese are too darn heavy and awkward to carry off a marsh and a big job to do when you get home. If you carry too many the temptation is to "have a go" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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