HUNTING WITH 177 AIR

[scotkoi]

HI AGAIN, I AM NEW TO HUNTING WITH AN AIR RIFLE!

IVE GOT A 177 TX 200 HC!!! NOW! IS THIS RIFLE UP TO THE JOB FOR HUNTING RABBITS??

I KNOW ITS DOWN TO HOW GOOD A SHOT YOU ARE! BUT TELL ME 177 OR 22?

IS THERE MUCH IN IT? CHEERS,SCOT.

[pin]

Both are fine for the job, some like one, others, erm, the other

 

.22 is heaver and slower with a more loopy trajectory, .177 is lighter and faster with a flatter trajectory.

 

Take 2 full power rifles, one in each cal, and there really shouldn't be a difference against any of the permissible airgun quarry.

 

Take some time to get good solid groups at 30yds before you take on anything with a face.

 

Best of luck, and welcome, oh, nock the CAPS off we can hear you just fine

[scotkoi]

HI AGAIN, I AM NEW TO HUNTING WITH AN AIR RIFLE!

IVE GOT A 177 TX 200 HC!!! NOW! IS THIS RIFLE UP TO THE JOB FOR HUNTING RABBITS??

I KNOW ITS DOWN TO HOW GOOD A SHOT YOU ARE! BUT TELL ME 177 OR 22?

IS THERE MUCH IN IT? CHEERS,SCOT.

Many thanks for your help.

[Paul in North Lincs.]

HI AGAIN, I AM NEW TO HUNTING WITH AN AIR RIFLE!

IVE GOT A 177 TX 200 HC!!! NOW! IS THIS RIFLE UP TO THE JOB FOR HUNTING RABBITS??

I KNOW ITS DOWN TO HOW GOOD A SHOT YOU ARE! BUT TELL ME 177 OR 22?

IS THERE MUCH IN IT? CHEERS,SCOT.

 

 

The TX200 HC is ertainly up for the job..its a man sized, acurate and reliable tool which should give you years a service it looked after properly

 

Both calibres have their merrits with many differing opinions between which is better for hunitng.

 

.22 will give you good stopping power at shorter ranged where the .177 has more penetration and can sometimes result in an overkill sitaution.

 

for longer rangers the .177 adds more accuracy. Personally I have a .22 have have never had any problem with.

 

Hone those skills and get out there boy!!!!! If you haven't got sling and swivel set, you may want to invest in one.........the TX gets bloody heavy after a couple of hours in the field

 

 

enjoy

[tosspot]

scotkoi

 

an age old debate .177 or .22

 

i think you'll find that most users of .22 are uneducated, lazy probably a bit smelly and cant shoot for toffee

 

where as .177 hunters are usually the cream of the bunch

 

hope this helps clear up what could be long and lengthy post

 

cheers TP

[Paul in North Lincs.]

scotkoi

 

an age old debate .177 or .22

 

i think you'll find that most users of .22 are uneducated, lazy probably a bit smelly and cant shoot for toffee

 

where as .177 hunters are usually the cream of the bunch

 

hope this helps clear up what could be long and lengthy post

 

cheers TP

 

smelly yes..............uneducated, lazy, and **** shot...........no

[naddan28]

scotkoi

 

an age old debate .177 or .22

 

i think you'll find that most users of .22 are uneducated, lazy probably a bit smelly and cant shoot for toffee

 

where as .177 hunters are usually the cream of the bunch

 

hope this helps clear up what could be long and lengthy post

 

cheers TP

I maybe a **** shot, althou am working on that and not had as many years as you lot at it! Uneducated...well I hope those tution fees get me something. Smelly... my girlfriend doesn't think so

[Reeco]

Hi All, Scot the best advice given to you is practice first on paper targets, when you can hit a zone of say 25 - 30 ml with consistency then have a go at some quarry.

Regarding cal, you can try and use your .177 and if after a couple of months you think it is doing a job, no need for a change but if you think it's not up to it, then you can easily sell it and buy a .22.

I think it's personal taste. Giood Luck and enjoy the sport. ATB. Reeco

PS Have a look into getting some insurance as this will definitely help you to aquire land to shoot on.

[WeihrauchPower]

All my hunting rifles are in the more manly calbre of .22.

Some shooters feel that they need to use .177 to account for their lack in range finding skills.

Don't forget the .22 holds it's own better in windy situations.

But overall if you hit the spot with either you will get a clean kill. Which i suppose means there just as good as each other.

[stevethevanman]

the 177 power falls away faster at range because it is a lighter pellet, but as we are talking probablly never shooting much over 35yds that is ok, both calibers are equaly capable.

[njc110381]

the 177 power falls away faster at range because it is a lighter pellet, but as we are talking probablly never shooting much over 35yds that is ok, both calibers are equaly capable.

 

 

Although this may be the case, it only drops off long after the pellet has passed it's maximum accurate range. A .177 is said to be better than .22 at long range. I started with .22 because I thought it was a bigger=better sport. It turns out that air rifle calibres are a bit like women. The slim and trim one is the one to go for. The fat ones are too slow, and harder to work with

[Axe]

This is starting to turn into the same old .177/.22 debate thats been around since the creation. The fact of the matter is this, .177 has its virtues as does the .22, either way both are capable of 35 yard shots to live quarry with an accomplished shooter behind them.

 

The benefits to .177 is that it is flatter and lends itself well to HFT etc. But in PCP reduces the number of shots you get per fill.

 

The benefits to .22 is that it is heavier and less effected by wind in the field and also delivers a greater impact on the target.

[stevethevanman]

I heard that it takes 4FTlb of energy to kill a adult rabbit with a head shot, if a 177 is hitting with something like 9.5FTlb at 30 yds provided you can place your pellet right, the extra energy of a 22 is not even beneficial. The 177 is flatter might have a little bit more wind drift than the 22 but has all the energy you need out to 40yds+

[tosspot]

As a footnote

 

.20 users tend to be Liberal namby pamby types who like to sit on the fence

 

.25 followers are eccentric extroverts, you know the.........type of person who bought a MZ 150

 

i thankyou TP

[pin]

I heard that it takes 4FTlb of energy to kill a adult rabbit with a head shot, if a 177 is hitting with something like 9.5FTlb at 30 yds provided you can place your pellet right, the extra energy of a 22 is not even beneficial. The 177 is flatter might have a little bit more wind drift than the 22 but has all the energy you need out to 40yds+

 

I have to take issue with this from a physics point of view.

 

.177 or .22 (or .20 or .25) or in fact any calibre it makes no odds. People need to forget this "22 hits harder" ****, it simply isn't the case at the ranges we are talking about, beyond 35 yards (think 100) things get much more complicated when you start to consider sectional density as against cross sectional area - for these ranges forget it, it simply isn't something worth considering.

 

Fired at a steel plate at 30yds there would be nothing between the projectiles in terms of terminal ballistics, what people are referring to is energy transfer to the quarry. .177 is widely touted as more "penetrating" than is .22. There isn't any more energy in the .22, this "extra energy" simply doesn't exist.

 

Put a .177 pellet in the right place on a rabbit and it will drop just the same as it will with a .22. Head shots at 35 yds with a 12fpe rifle of either cal will not pass through the rabbits head, so they both give up all of their energy doing work on the rabbit in terms of wound creation. In the cranium its dead, simple as.

 

So for hunting rabbits, as asked, there is nothing to chose between them apart from how you get on with the trajectory, how many shots you want, and how the chosen pellet is affected by wind.

[SNAKEBITE]

I'm not getting involved, a waste of drinking time

[pin]

[king ratcatcher]

I heard that it takes 4FTlb of energy to kill a adult rabbit with a head shot, if a 177 is hitting with something like 9.5FTlb at 30 yds provided you can place your pellet right, the extra energy of a 22 is not even beneficial. The 177 is flatter might have a little bit more wind drift than the 22 but has all the energy you need out to 40yds+

 

I have to take issue with this from a physics point of view.

 

.177 or .22 (or .20 or .25) or in fact any calibre it makes no odds. People need to forget this "22 hits harder" ****, it simply isn't the case at the ranges we are talking about, beyond 35 yards (think 100) things get much more complicated when you start to consider sectional density as against cross sectional area - for these ranges forget it, it simply isn't something worth considering.

 

Fired at a steel plate at 30yds there would be nothing between the projectiles in terms of terminal ballistics, what people are referring to is energy transfer to the quarry. .177 is widely touted as more "penetrating" than is .22. There isn't any more energy in the .22, this "extra energy" simply doesn't exist.

 

Put a .177 pellet in the right place on a rabbit and it will drop just the same as it will with a .22. Head shots at 35 yds with a 12fpe rifle of either cal will not pass through the rabbits head, so they both give up all of their energy doing work on the rabbit in terms of wound creation. In the cranium its dead, simple as.

 

So for hunting rabbits, as asked, there is nothing to chose between them apart from how you get on with the trajectory, how many shots you want, and how the chosen pellet is affected by wind.

 

I once shot a rabbit at 53 yards, in the head, 11.2 ftlb, .177, pellet went right through, and got pics to prove it ( didnt give a kick ) Either caliber will do the job, ive found .22 kills pigeons quicker then .177, every pigeon ive shot bang in the head with a .177, it flapped around like mad, .22 they just give the odd flap and drop dead in my expieriance, it dont matter to much on caliber with rabbits, they go into shock really quick

[WeihrauchPower]

I've found exit wounds quite often at 35yds with .22.

[pin]

I didn't say you don't get them, but a plumb shot in the side of the bonce and it really shouldn't come out the other side.

[arnold]

i allways find .177 is over kill, when hunting rabbits thats why i allways go for .22 just for knock down.

[SNAKEBITE]

Has anyone mentioned anything new here that has not been flogged a thousand times before and will be flogged a thousand more times?

 

I know this might seem a little harsh but every time this topic rears its ugly head the same old tosh is trawled out again without anything new been brought forward!

 

If a new guy asks this question is it not better to point him in the direction of an old or pinned topic that covers it all, after all there is nothing wrong with either calibre it is all down to choice and he has to make that choice for himself.

[camo]

ive always used .22 over the years with great results and i no people who use 177 with great results,its what you get used to useing.i set my sights at 30 yards and i no thats good out to 40-45 yards,a well placed pellet in what ever caliber will do the job and if your new to air rifle shooting get in plenty of target practice at difrent ranges befor you go after rabbit,pigeon,etc

[Theskyfox]

I hunt with both 22 and 177 and have no quibbles with either calibre. They both hit hard and they both will take down the quarry with relative ease if placed correctly. Only little difference I notice is that 22 is slightly slower, so if your using 22 you need to follow through and hold steady for a little longer, which ultimately isn't really a problem because its good practice to do that anyway .

 

-Andrew

[peter5761]

I fell that anyone who wishes to go hunting, should have a licence which states that they can place 5 shots out of 5 within a 40mm disc at 30 yds prone.

I would suggest that if anyone wants to go hunting, to enter a HFT event to see what their real ability is.