NorfolkAYA Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Hi all, Anyone have a rough price for a 12g Spanish master, non ejector in very good condition? Regards Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Quick look on the interweb seems to be £120-£180 ne used + another £100 for the ejector model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brixsmaid Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I've got an ejector' average condition for age, had it for 20 years - thought about getting rid of it 6 months ago - local dealer said - scrap value only, they just export them somewhere, best he would offer was £20!! Seen them on gun trader between £ 50 and £125 I seem to remember. Happy to be proven wrong though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I've just seen a 12bore master ejector valued at £180 in average condition but it had some choke taken out of it as it started out as 1/2 & full ! The valuation was done at Gerge Bates in Stafford ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I would say £ 80 to £120 dependent on condition . Thing to remember with valuations is that there are three values - 1 what you would expect to pay for the same gun in a shop today . 2 what you could expect to get if you had to sell it to day . 3 what you should insure it for taking into account the costs of finding a replacement . The fact that the chokes have been bored out , assuming they are not both cylinder, should not unduly affect the sale price as many Spanish guns of this period were over choked and Spanish choke markings are between sizes rather that specific sizes so there could be for example on a gun marked as 1/2 the actual choke could be up to 3/4 .I have a list some wear amongst my collection of gun data which I will put up if I can find it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Choke markings on barrel ( and tubes) are theoretical only. They assume a particular load and wad, and no wear in the gun. tests by BASC Ballistics committee showed only new better grade guns threw anything near what the chokes said - there were wide variations on all older guns from the markings. What this means, is that you actually only know what the chokes are doing if you pattern the gun and pellet count the circle. As the choking can make a difference to desirability of a gun, it directly affects saleability and price. Go out and pattern the gun so you know what it ACTUALLy does. That's general comment for any gun - the Master is a hard working but very run-of-the-mill gun. Functional without finesse. The market is flooded with Spanish and Belgium guns like this and they have no or little interest to dealers, but private sale between £100 - £200 would be the norm depending on condition and construction, ie, rib type, chamber length, barrel length, choking etc. Getting out the elbow grease and refinishing the wood can make it easier to sell, its amazing what can be done with tired wood that's got oil and grease, maybe even goopy varnish all over what can refinish to look great. Don't look on doing this as a way of increasing value, what it does is make yours look best in a choice of similarly priced guns, and is the one chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Did you read that in a book ? We are talking about a £ 100 gun if it goes bang when the trigger is pulled is about all you can expect . As a buyer , you want to know what the chokes are, get the measured but as I said choking should not affect it value , it may affect your personal desirability but that's all . That said the original post from Pete asked the value , he did not say weather he was buying or selling . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Choking ( true) effecting value is a fact. 30 years as an RFD and 2000+ guns bought and sold gives me the professional insight that on otherwise similar guns, barrel length, chamber length, and choking are the main factors that affect desirability. Open choked shorter barrel guns are hard to shift in the current market in any condition - sub £100 on Spanish / Belgium S/S boxlocks, while a longer barrelled magnum with tight chokes still has a demand from wildfowlers, and guns with some or all these attributes will hold price better and shift sooner, £200+ being obtainable - with everything in between. Its all relative to what the end user is looking for, but if a seller wants to move a gun they need to offer good value for what they have, and price accordingly. Its no different from cars: an older base two door Renault even working on the road only has scrap or nr scrap value, but the same car with PAS, 4-door, the bigger engine option etc, might be worth double the base model, or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yes but the Master was not heavy gun for wild fowling so sorry that is irrelevant . As far as I remember most Masters were either 26 or 28 inch 70mm chambers and usually came in with over tight chokes that were frequently bored out , this I do know as I have bored out the chokes on dozens of similar guns during my time in the gun trade . A man buying any such gun is looking for a cheap knock about and can not be too fussy . We still don't know if this gun was being bought ,sold or valued for curiosity . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkAYA Posted January 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Cheers guys. I asked as I bought one yesterday for what seemed peanuts for a nice tidy gun. It's 27inch barrels and I couldn't tell you what the chokes are . As long as I point it in the right direction it should work . Only bought it as a hide gun as I didn't wanna knock my AYA about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Nothing wrong with 27" ..Sold a 26" gun to a guy for shooting in a hide ,he loves it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 i for a while had a spanish master 12 bore...............it was cheap as chips...very very plain....................but very well made ...everything fitted together perfectly ...metal to metal wood to metal.............it struck me as a really simple well made shotgun......sold it to my mate over the road from me about 10 years ago...he still has it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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