beatingisbest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 In October i will be applying for my FAC and will be applying for a bunny calibre and a fox cal too. I have decided on .22lr for the rabbits, but im not sure what to go for with the fox cal? I am thinking of .22hornet Please help me decide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 hampshire police can be very difficult i have heard, a friend said that .22hornet are good, i think im more likely to get .22hornet Is it worth asking hants constabulary for a .223, if they refuse ask for .22hornet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex lad Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Ask for a .223. I would be surprised if you were turned down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 .223 everytime. And with the proposed change to allow for Roe deer e.t.c even better... Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 .223 Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 .223 everytime.And with the proposed change to allow for Roe deer e.t.c even better... Cheers only if you have the condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 go for .223/.222, you can star relodig (after some practice first) this will give you the chance to learn a lot about ballistics before moving to a bigger gun if you ever wished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 dont know how your issuing authority would look at a young mans first application for c/f. they might like you to get some time in with a r/f first.from reading posts like this on all the gun shooting sites a lot of young ones are getting all kinds of conditions attached to fac,s. young lad on the bbs from wales isgetting some propper aggro with a 22 rimmie. ask and see what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 dont know how your issuing authority would look at a young mans first application for c/f. they might like you to get some time in with a r/f first.from reading posts like this on all the gun shooting sites a lot of young ones are getting all kinds of conditions attached to fac,s.young lad on the bbs from wales isgetting some propper aggro with a 22 rimmie. ask and see what they say. If they want me to have a mentor, i know someone who will be one for me, he knows me very well as he got me into shooting in the first place My parents know who to blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 dont know how your issuing authority would look at a young mans first application for c/f. they might like you to get some time in with a r/f first.from reading posts like this on all the gun shooting sites a lot of young ones are getting all kinds of conditions attached to fac,s.young lad on the bbs from wales isgetting some propper aggro with a 22 rimmie. ask and see what they say. is that TH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 dont know how your issuing authority would look at a young mans first application for c/f. they might like you to get some time in with a r/f first.from reading posts like this on all the gun shooting sites a lot of young ones are getting all kinds of conditions attached to fac,s. young lad on the bbs from wales isgetting some propper aggro with a 22 rimmie. ask and see what they say. is that TH? yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Im guessing that thread got deleted because i cant find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 it could have been it was looking like it would get a bit hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 dont know how your issuing authority would look at a young mans first application for c/f. they might like you to get some time in with a r/f first.from reading posts like this on all the gun shooting sites a lot of young ones are getting all kinds of conditions attached to fac,s.young lad on the bbs from wales isgetting some propper aggro with a 22 rimmie. ask and see what they say. been shooting shotguns for 30 years and got knocked back on the 223 got the 22 r/f and Hmr rang up and was told i could have the 223 in 12 months time or have a 22 hornet now asked the ladie on the phone if i needed a different backstop for the 223 as the hornet which she agreed it would be the same safe backstop needed for both, so told her to stick the hornet up her ? i will go for the 223 in 12 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 only if you have the condition. That's an interesting point Mark, they won't give the condition before (IF) the law changes, so they will be inundated with variations when (IF) it comes into place. I have got Roe in Scotland as a second condition on my .223, even theough I never stalk for them up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 only if you have the condition. That's an interesting point Mark, they won't give the condition before (IF) the law changes, so they will be inundated with variations when (IF) it comes into place. I have got Roe in Scotland as a second condition on my .223, even though I never stalk for them up there. to be honest stuart i dont know how this is going to work. as you say its hard getting the condition now with a 243. they are asking for dsc1 or safety shooting certs.( rightly or wrongly) now.so if 222/223 becomes the minimum for deer, how can the firearms departments ask people who have had the 222/223 for a while for dsc or safety certs.according to every thing you read about this new rule it is to get more shooters who have the 222/223 involved with deer management. roe are in abundance and need thinning out. or someone is after selling a lot of courses. could be the later as the forestry com wont let you on without dsc1 minimium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 any views on the .17rem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 any views on the .17rem? Conor had one, shot foxes with it too. Think it was clean fussy. Shot it myself at targets, sounded louder than the .223 to me, maybe just sharper sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 only if you have the condition. That's an interesting point Mark, they won't give the condition before (IF) the law changes, so they will be inundated with variations when (IF) it comes into place. I have got Roe in Scotland as a second condition on my .223, even though I never stalk for them up there. to be honest stuart i dont know how this is going to work. as you say its hard getting the condition now with a 243. they are asking for dsc1 or safety shooting certs.( rightly or wrongly) now.so if 222/223 becomes the minimum for deer, how can the firearms departments ask people who have had the 222/223 for a while for dsc or safety certs.according to every thing you read about this new rule it is to get more shooters who have the 222/223 involved with deer management. roe are in abundance and need thinning out. or someone is after selling a lot of courses. could be the later as the forestry com wont let you on without dsc1 minimium. It started out looking like a good idea but now this law looks like it is being used to make it harder still to get a cf rifle and make it easier for them to restrict you to something small. Joke though the DSC 1 is, I pity those who will now get shafted for not having it or be made (illegally) to have to sit it. Variation for my 300 Winchester Magnum goes in Tuesday. One of the reasons i was thinking about .22hornet Im doing DSC1 next year, i dont know if that will help to get a foxing rifle though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 cant see a problem with asking for a 222/223 for foxing. just when you mention the D word. but who knows. so told her to stick the hornet up her ? very subtle rob. you know how to charm the ladies mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I help out on the range sessions fo a DSC1 course and you would be shocked by the number of people who are doing it just so they can get a foxing rifle and the fuzz have insisted on them having it! id say 20% do it because they want to, 40% do it because they have to for stalking requirement and 40% because they want to shoot foxes. Im doing DSC1 because it is included in my college course and will cost me £25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 http://www.basc.org.uk/content/defra_changes_deer_close_ forget your 222/223 for roe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Just looking at DSC1 and apparently you only need to place 3 shots at 100yds in a 4" circle. Surely that is pretty easy? I personally have never shot anything over an air rifle but having seen the type of groupings people get with a HMR at 100yds on here, then surely with something as large as a .308 then it would be quite easy? I personally don't think I would take shots at deer even with a .308 if I could only produce 4" groupings! Am I being a bit stupid here or are my comments justified? I read about the DSC1 here: http://www.britishdeersociety.co.uk/PageL2...PageNameL2=DSC1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Well, you also have sitting/kneeling shots at 70 off a bipod or sticks and standing with sticks at 40, all into the 6" kill. You also didnt mention that you have 2 shots into the deer at 100 and its a 6" circle but you need to know where it is of course(not terribly hard) A lot fail on the shooting because this course is not designed as a marksmanship course and too many people get sent on it to get their first gun, not to become more knowledgable deer stalkers. They also cant take the pressure of being tested and examined and go to peices but then again, if you cant hold a 4" group with a guy watching, on paper, on a level surface at a deeer over a known distance then you deserve to fail as when you see your first deer, the feelings will not be dissimilar If the cops are gonna keep doing this, they should come up with a more suitable course for that specific purpose. I never realised thats all, really shocked me that this course is designed as a deer stalking course but they don't ensure people can group a rifle sufficently. Almost as important as knowing the difference between species is to ensure when you pull the trigger the bullet will hit the spot. On this basis I would toughen up the target shooting aspect of the DSC1 and stop inforcing people attend DSC1 courses for anything other than deer stalking. If the forces are worried about people's handling/accuracy why not grant all first time FAC on Target Shooting only conditions and then after the reciept of a club approval cert saying your grouping is sufficent and you can handle the gun safely you are automatically granted all the relevant quarry conditions for your calibre. This would save a lot of hasssle with varaitions and also ensure people were safer shots. Obviously if people already have a FAC for HMR then they should have no problem being given a .22 cf etc, but if they want to stalk deer then either given them a DSC1 or mentor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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