bostonmick Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Another non thread really no information on the details so no comments can be made that are in any way valid.All I would say is the prisons are full of innocent people and some who are innocent for the second and third time. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 bostonmick - cruel, but fair. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I may be wrong here but I think this an underlying difference between being found guilty/not guilty or even being charged over such offences, and the police revoking licences - there was that case a while ago on here of the lad and his mother shooting at a van on his farm. The police grant a license based on what they perceive as suitability of the person applying - often it is commented on here about staying out of conflicts with members of the public. I think its irrelevant as to whether the person is found guilty or not - they have been involved in a dispute and therefore in the eyes of the police not a suitable person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I may be wrong here but I think this an underlying difference between being found guilty/not guilty or even being charged over such offences, and the police revoking licences - there was that case a while ago on here of the lad and his mother shooting at a van on his farm. The police grant a license based on what they perceive as suitability of the person applying - often it is commented on here about staying out of conflicts with members of the public. I think its irrelevant as to whether the person is found guilty or not - they have been involved in a dispute and therefore in the eyes of the police not a suitable person. This sums it up. Back to the OP's question. He will have instructed a solicitor to act on his behalf, therefore, it is to this solicitor who these questions should be addressed. If that solicitor knows little about firearms law then he, the solicitor, should seek advice from one who is. I'm afraid though, that in todays climate, police policy is, and many of us will say quite rightly, to take guns and certificates out of the equasion whilst investigations and court proceedings take place. Public safety is paramount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I may be wrong here but I think this an underlying difference between being found guilty/not guilty or even being charged over such offences, and the police revoking licences - there was that case a while ago on here of the lad and his mother shooting at a van on his farm. The police grant a license based on what they perceive as suitability of the person applying - often it is commented on here about staying out of conflicts with members of the public. I think its irrelevant as to whether the person is found guilty or not - they have been involved in a dispute and therefore in the eyes of the police not a suitable person. This sums it up. Back to the OP's question. He will have instructed a solicitor to act on his behalf, therefore, it is to this solicitor who these questions should be addressed. If that solicitor knows little about firearms law then he, the solicitor, should seek advice from one who is. I'm afraid though, that in todays climate, police policy is, and many of us will say quite rightly, to take guns and certificates out of the equasion whilst investigations and court proceedings take place. Public safety is paramount. Almost, it is not black and white about suitability or just that there is a dispute, it is a risk judgement which always favours pubic safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJW Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 As has already been pointed out, with little facts and a great deal of speculation, we can only generalise. My take on your question would be that although in English law you have the right to a fair trial and the burden of proof in a criminal case is on the prosecution to prove guilt rather than the defendant to prove their innocence (Innocent until proven guilty as you termed it), the burden of proof only really kicks in at trial, up to that point the police and CPS can only do their best to prove guilt to the best of their ability and build a case. Pre-Trial all kinds of restrictions can be placed on a defendant, such as bail conditions (e.g not being allowed to return to the marital home unescorted if accused of domestic violence), surrendering of passport, being forced to have medical tests for liver function and drugs, surrendering electronics for investigation ect. These are all things that one might argue go against the mantra of "innocent until proven guilty" (other than perhaps temporary confiscation for investigative purposes). Obviously I'm not sighting law here and keeping to the speculative approach but I'd say that confiscating guns is well within the spectrum of police powers based on the other pre-trial powers they have. Indeed doesn't it say in the small print of our licences that we have our guns at the discretion of the chief of Police or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anschutz.17hmr Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 With FAC and SGC its guilty until proven innocent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 With FAC and SGC its guilty until proven innocent! I disagree, its about risk not guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anschutz.17hmr Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Have you been in that situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Have you been in that situation? Does that change the facts? I don't think it does. Although i agree if it does happen to you, it may feel quite invasive, but you are not found to be guilty its more like a suspension pending an investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickologjam Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I love shooting but my certificate would be the least of my worries if I was facing a stretch inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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