MrShirley Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Hi. I purchased my 725 2015 model brand new about 6 month back. Never owning a brand new gun before, I expected a level tightness that would gradually bed in over the next few months. The main area that was actually tighter that I would have liked was the top lever. Opening the gun after dis-charging two shells, took a very positive thumb. As before I put this down to engineering tolerances and it would bed in. In fact the opposite has happened. The top leaver is no longer smooth and there is a definite stop on 50% on the travel, to which more pressure needs to be applied to over come this stop and open the gun. I'm off back to the gun shop this afternoon as they are the Browning dealers and browning have told me to return it there. Before I do, I thought I would ask what are peoples thoughts on what could be causing this and what would you expect to be done given the gun is still well within warranty? I'm a fairly amateur shooter and i don't know the full ins and outs of the workings of shotguns, so ideally I would like to know a little so i don't get fobbed off. The gun shop does have a very good reputation, so hopefully this will get sorted very quickly. Cheers Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Most likely culprit is the locking bolt binding in the barrel bights. It's not uncommon with Browning/Miroku and it's not likely to improve with use. In my experience grease is a very temporary help. Don't let the dealer kid you that it 'just needs a few hundred rounds to bed in'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a303 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Take a lot of photos of your gun before it leaves your possession. Is my advise. An get your dealer to sign a statement saying your gun was returned to them in very good, well maintained condition. If Browning UK can't be ***** fixing it, they'll accuse you of poor maintenance, gun returned rusty ,misuse etc. They'll say they have photographic evidence of the rusty bits. And when you receive the "evidence" you'll see the pictures are not even your gun!!!!!! Least you'll have lots of high resolution pictures to prove otherwise. Best of luck with Browning UK. Never once delt with a company like them and not do I ever wish to have to deal with them again. Bunch of bumbling dishonest idiots. The 725 I owned for a very short time had this problem. It's possibly something to do with the mating faces of the barrel lug and the bite. They reprofile the shape of them to enable it to open easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Often a case of "faulty freeing" .It is not uncommon for the barrel wings to be hard on to the action where there should be a clearance of about .0015"/.002" . This in effect jam's the barrel against the action thus putting increased pressure on the bolt . If this is the case it is a simple matter of easing the barrel wings so they don't bind . I have come across this numerous times and seems more common on Japanese made Browning/Miroku's than other guns ,I suspect that it that they are now "made" rather than built . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShirley Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks for the replies guys, I took the gun back yesterday. No real issues, the shop owner agreed with me. He closed it several times and the issue happend.The gun is now in its way back to Browning to be looked at.Thanks for the advise a303, I have taken lots of photographs and the shop know this too. When I get the gun back, it will be inspected within an inch of its life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay404 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I had this same problem I gently debured the parts and it helped it 100% it used to move half way and then stop I grease and clean regularly and now seems fine . My gun is 18months old . It's reassuring it wasn't just my gun tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShirley Posted October 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I agree, I think the bite is a little out and a quick polish or removing a few microns will solve the issue. However, given how much the gun cost new, i'm not willing to take this on myself. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the replies guys, I took the gun back yesterday. No real issues, the shop owner agreed with me. He closed it several times and the issue happend. The gun is now in its way back to Browning to be looked at. Thanks for the advise a303, I have taken lots of photographs and the shop know this too. When I get the gun back, it will be inspected within an inch of its life. Surely what the should do is give you a new gun to go away and play with? This could mean months with no gun? Edited October 16, 2015 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 There was at time that any gunshop worthy of the name would have had some one on the premises or locally who would have been capable of doing what is required to any new gun in a couple of hours , days at most . Now it seem most are just sellers and have no interest in after sales service , just send it back and let someone else do it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Surely what the should do is give you a new gun to go away and play with? This could mean months with no gun? Isn't the contract of sale between the buyer and the seller? You have been sold an item that isn't fit for purpose, I'd demand at least a temporary replacement. There was at time that any gunshop worthy of the name would have had some one on the premises or locally who would have been capable of doing what is required to any new gun in a couple of hours , days at most . Now it seem most are just sellers and have no interest in after sales service , just send it back and let someone else do it . And there's the truth. I haven't a clue where my "local" gunsmith is, just retailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Yes and next April there will be one less in the NE when Graham at Foster's retires . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShirley Posted November 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Well the gun is back in my possession.I was more happy with the service from the shop (Melbourne Gun). Apparently, all Browning have done is carry out a full service! I'm not 100% convinced, they seem to have been very liberal with the oil. The barrels came back in bubble wrap inside the ABS case. There was that much oil smeared over them the barrels had little oil circles all the way down them. It took me a little while to polish them off. I'm more than happy to oil/grease the gun in the right places, but these guys seem to have gone to town.I used to gun this weekend and it gun feel better, time i suppose will tell. ThanksAsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) There was at time that any gunshop worthy of the name would have had some one on the premises or locally who would have been capable of doing what is required to any new gun in a couple of hours , days at most . Now it seem most are just sellers and have no interest in after sales service , just send it back and let someone else do it . a lot have no interest in selling let alone servicing. Try emailing a few on GT. As for too much oil protection, I think you would have been unhappy had it not had any at all. Edited November 3, 2015 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyTed Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Glad you got it sorted. I do think that the trade would improve rapidly if we, the customers, were more forceful in asking politely for our legal entitlement - money back or a replacement (customer's choice) when a gun is faulty so soon after purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyh Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 My 725 was exactly the same as you describe. After a thousand shells it hadnt free'd up so back it went to Browning. It was turned around remarkably quickly and the jamming has completely gone. Leaves a bad taste after spending so much money on a 'premium' brand. If it didn't shoot as well as it does I'd have shifted it on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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