fenboy Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I brought a dummy launcher the other week , to give drake some longer marked retrieves and help with steadiness to shot . So far he is being a joy to train and I do not think he will be too much longer before he is having he first proper trip , my intention was to have him ready for next September but I may give him a trip down the marsh in the last week of the season . I am pretty sure if things continue as they are he will be well on his game for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Love the way he marks the retrieve, then immediately focusses on you to wait for permission to go. Coming on well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 There is so much to learn on the Marsh besides retrieving. I am glad my current dog came out well before he could be trusted to retrieve but one he was right with gunfire The temptation is of course once they are there you might as well- not a good idea let's say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Kent , I have no idea what you are trying to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Kent , I have no idea what you are trying to say Act in haste, repent at leisure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Act in haste, repent at leisure Act in haste, repent at leisure Thank you for breaking the code, but I am still not sure what "There is so much to learn on the Marsh besides retrieving" is suppose to elude to . It's not that the dog has only been taught to retrieve is it. I don't feel I will be doing the dog any harm in taking him on one trip at the end of the season , he will be around 12 months old by that time and if he does not go off the rails between now and then ( which I am sure he wont ) then I will be more than happy to take him , he will not have any difficult situations to deal with as I will have my other dog with me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Thank you for breaking the code, but I am still not sure what "There is so much to learn on the Marsh besides retrieving" is suppose to elude to . It's not that the dog has only been taught to retrieve is it. I don't feel I will be doing the dog any harm in taking him on one trip at the end of the season , he will be around 12 months old by that time and if he does not go off the rails between now and then ( which I am sure he wont ) then I will be more than happy to take him , he will not have any difficult situations to deal with as I will have my other dog with me . While you don't want to do anything silly at this stage , it does not hurt to take the dog out on trips to get him used to doing the everyday things that aren't covered in training. It actually makes for a much smoother transition to shooting full time. Things like mud . A lot of fowling dogs have to sit in a creek full of slop. Plenty of them try and drink saltwater , my old dog is still worried about the tide creeping in around him , but will happily face big tides and surf. All this stuff should be part of training , but rarely is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 While you don't want to do anything silly at this stage , it does not hurt to take the dog out on trips to get him used to doing the everyday things that aren't covered in training. It actually makes for a much smoother transition to shooting full time. Things like mud . A lot of fowling dogs have to sit in a creek full of slop. Plenty of them try and drink saltwater , my old dog is still worried about the tide creeping in around him , but will happily face big tides and surf. All this stuff should be part of training , but rarely is. Exactly you can only train so much , sooner or later they need the experience of what they are going to be doing . Drake has had some time on the marsh training and is fine going over large creeks with and without water to collect dummys . Not had any problems with steadyness either so hopefully he will not be running into a retrieve I do not want him to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I don't get what's hard about understanding this as a Wildfowler as a dog man yes I get the confusion It's far more important for a fowlers dog to keep still even duck it's head into the hole or hide to incomers My dog can't see close up near as good as a human but by watching him rather than the sky I know I have incomers maybe he hears them maybe it's something else but he sure as heck knows duck from geese and dicky birds get no notice Yes he ignores crows. Lapwings and all the other non shoot birds but it takes time if I waited till a dog was fully ready like a peg dog it might take another two or three seasons to get all the other bits into it So yeah I should take any dog that was OK with proper gunfire over it Even if it wasn't ready for much else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I don't get what's hard about understanding this as a Wildfowler as a dog man yes I get the confusion It's far more important for a fowlers dog to keep still even duck it's head into the hole or hide to incomers My dog can't see close up near as good as a human but by watching him rather than the sky I know I have incomers maybe he hears them maybe it's something else but he sure as heck knows duck from geese and dicky birds get no notice Yes he ignores crows. Lapwings and all the other non shoot birds but it takes time if I waited till a dog was fully ready like a peg dog it might take another two or three seasons to get all the other bits into it So yeah I should take any dog that was OK with proper gunfire over it Even if it wasn't ready for much else Kent , I genuinely could not understand what you was trying to say , now I can . You seem to be in agreement with me , that makes a good start to 2016 ! I could train the dog for the next three years and still not know for certain how good he will be until he is put into the environment I expect him to work in, but as it is I have the confidence he is going to make a very good dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I think a dog needs to know what it's life task is Let the thing run in as most do in the end but don't let it fidget about on flight or grumble about the cold and wet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I think a dog needs to know what it's life task is Let the thing run in as most do in the end but don't let it fidget about on flight or grumble about the cold and wet I am determined this dog will not be running in . I know some fowlers say they like it in a dog but I don't . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) No reason for a dog to ever run in, in my opinion. I'll wager I'd never pick an extra bird by one of mine running in rather than waiting for my command. If it goes down in a fast flow I can shout get out as quick as I shot it. If it runs in towards somewhere it shouldn't I'm not stopping them either..... Nice video by the way! Edited January 1, 2016 by wj939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think a dog needs to know what it's life task is Let the thing run in as most do in the end but don't let it fidget about on flight or grumble about the cold and wet why would you want a dog to run in, running in is a massive fidget and can ruin lots of flights . First they'll run in on falling duck then they'll run in on the shot. Dogs that run in are out of control and in my opinion not trained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 why would you want a dog to run in, running in is a massive fidget and can ruin lots of flights . First they'll run in on falling duck then they'll run in on the shot. Dogs that run in are out of control and in my opinion not trained. If the guy is OK with it and don't shoot in company that objects crack on A dog above all should do what the owner wants if that is to run in or stay steady fair enough. To some the ideal dog just sits and watches sort of a fashion accessory DONT LAUGH I SEE THIS QUITE often If it don't effect the sport of others then frankly I don't give one if THE owner wants his dog to do something. Many countries encourage running in why should others enforce what they want on others Btw on my last flight in company I sent my dog after asking permission on a wounded duck downed behind another gun with a dog Some folk obviously want unfathomable stuff in thier dog who am I to criticise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 I am determined this dog will not be running in . I know some fowlers say they like it in a dog but I don't . That's fine my point is its the owners choice advantages both ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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