dob Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Has anybody got one of the night master atom add on nv set ups , are they good value for money and are they suitable for centre fire rifles ? Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Not from what I hear they're not. Don't trust Darren Rodger's videos either, renowned for using multiple Bosch illuminators to make the barely visible look like daylight. It certainly won't be as good as this (even better now with the new AS IR). Edited January 31, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 everybody seemed to give them a wide birth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dob Posted February 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Ok thanks for the heads up ,can you recommend a reasonably priced unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 How much do you want to spend mate and do you want a heads up screen or an in line unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dob Posted February 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 How much do you want to spend mate and do you want a heads up screen or an in line unit?add on set up, up to £1000 max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 ward d vision 700 is the best add-on by all accounts,one for sale on bbs £595 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 As Telf says get a Ward D 700 you won't regret it. Put a black Sun T20 unit on it and you will be very happy, I have one and it's the best investment I made. Even new you will get a couple of hundred pounds change out of a grand and they will punch out to as far as you would want to shoot in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Mine pees all over the wardy, just saying... Edited February 2, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dob Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Mine pees all over the wardy, just saying...what you got ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 It's a home build, I posted on here ages ago and have made a handful for other people. Hang on, I'll try and find the thread... Here you go... Under a redesign currently to move the battery to the top and make it a little smaller still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 be interesting to see the new design,followed the original thread with interest,but after trying a wardy ,decided add ons werent for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) What didn't you like about them Telf? A friend has been using the original build and reckons it outperforms his 870! I'd be interested to know. The general feedback is that the side mounted battery makes it look too bulky. I use a really good quality (£60 each!) 12v li-ion battery, this gives not hours of use but many evenings worth, driving both the led and the unit itself. One battery for everything, so I want to keep that. The illuminator I might scale down a bit as in reality, who really needs 700 yards? I hear the Marky unit keeps dying on people due to battery life, users of the Drone are electing to stick extra battery packs to the side and I'm not sure about the Wardy, but I saw inside the original and there seemed to be quite a lot of foam and sticky stuff holding things together and in place. Fine if that floats your boat. I don't want to keep charging a unit everytime I come in; once a week or so I'll press the test button and if it's on three I might give it an hour or two on the charger to keep it topped up. So I think I have to stay with the larger 12v battery for now - I just need to remove all the dead space as much as possible. In other words, making it teeny weeny is fine, but not that practical if you have to walk around with a spare set of batteries in your pocket ready for some nocturnal fumblings (replacing them in the field, dropping them, dropping the cap). Or worse, having to pack up and go home. I've used my two for well over 18 months, no issues, on 243 no problem at all. Edited February 2, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator 66 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 this is the thing why I like to build my own you can add or take away what you don't need. some say its big but having a battery that will drive it for 3 hours plus driving the ir is not that big as only other way is more batterys stuck to stock or in pocket think hes done well fitting all whats in that unit into the size it is now lot have seen it working and get blown away but most stay with what they have, don't ask why, that's what i would love to know if you don't like something about it say he might be able to change it a bit other thing i love about it is the one push set up and this was my winge with a lot of nv and still is turn on battery then the unit then the IR with this one button and all on inc the ir just need to dim the IR to what range you shoot and your set to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Thanks Darren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) My DVR is pretty poop (and anything I record ends up looking really grainy ), Darren just emailed some better footage taken with his Cube where he's filming a hut at night at over 340 yards (maybe more?). This is more indicitive of what you see through the eyepiece. Thanks Darren. Edited February 3, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 This is one of my rigs with an integrated T50 Black sun and genuine E700: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) What DVR are you using to record? The footage looks like what I see through my viewfinder (I can see the leaves on that tree at 660 yards!) but when I record it it looks like dog kacka! Although in that footage it does look like you're only shooting at 80 yards . Edited February 3, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 80 to 100 yards was about right - we don't need to shoot bunnies from further over here. I just checked the date and it was the old 4715S LED in a Chinese pill not the Black Sun. I think that was using my Lawmate but I can't get it to stay on max resolution these days. As per everyone else's recordings the raw monitor image is far superior. My point being, as with others, it costs less than half the price of the WDV. We don't all need 500 yards but my newer one's have the T50 Black Sun that easily shows on 500 yard trees in spotter mode or on the rifle. How much is the Cube BTW? I've never seen a price for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) It's £200 cheaper than a Wardy, and that includes the illuminator and quality torch mount and a printed DSA - however, for me its not a 'business'; if people want one I'll make one, but I'm not pushing it. I just like tinkering to see what how far I can develop it. I'm certainly not getting about to get rich off it (you should see the draws of cameras and component that didn't make the cut). The cost about covers the sum of the parts. Just like you, I can't work out how the big boys justify their costs given the performance and how some other get so close and fail so miserably. Other users also get hung up on how 'small' something is, completely ignoring how limited that makes its use in the field. Better to make use of the dead space between screen and scope and fill it with useful stuff... like a battery that will last more than a couple of hours . I think I've found why my footage looks garbage, I had it on a small resolution and high compression - duh. I'll try some more over the next week or so, I have some fox control to do where they've gone and killed all somebody's turkeys. However, I am a little distracted by a new project as the 17 hornet looms; I need to make an annealer and Old No.7 has been helping enormously with that. Ever played with an Arduino Dave? It's a bit of an eye opener for us 'making things' types. Edited February 3, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 What didn't you like about them Telf? A friend has been using the original build and reckons it outperforms his 870! I'd be interested to know. The general feedback is that the side mounted battery makes it look too bulky. I use a really good quality (£60 each!) 12v li-ion battery, this gives not hours of use but many evenings worth, driving both the led and the unit itself. One battery for everything, so I want to keep that. The illuminator I might scale down a bit as in reality, who really needs 700 yards? I hear the Marky unit keeps dying on people due to battery life, users of the Drone are electing to stick extra battery packs to the side and I'm not sure about the Wardy, but I saw inside the original and there seemed to be quite a lot of foam and sticky stuff holding things together and in place. Fine if that floats your boat. I don't want to keep charging a unit everytime I come in; once a week or so I'll press the test button and if it's on three I might give it an hour or two on the charger to keep it topped up. So I think I have to stay with the larger 12v battery for now - I just need to remove all the dead space as much as possible. In other words, making it teeny weeny is fine, but not that practical if you have to walk around with a spare set of batteries in your pocket ready for some nocturnal fumblings (replacing them in the field, dropping them, dropping the cap). Or worse, having to pack up and go home. I've used my two for well over 18 months, no issues, on 243 no problem at all. possibly didnt really spend enough time with the wardy,couldnt get the wardy to tighten up enough to stop it wobbling about,tried the shims that came with it and an old scope flip up.but couldnt get it secure,possibly because i have the ocular ring screwed quite far out,so i dont think the locking ring on the wardy was getting a grip,other than that it was ok,but that just put me off alltogether,so i have gone down the photon extreme route as i have weaver/ picatinny rails on the rifles its not really a problem to swap scope to extreme,however you may have rekindled my interest in add-ons depending on the length of the redisigned unit,as the price you have quoted is around extreme prices i dont really need anything up to your specs ,as im only shooting rabbits and the occasional fox,but the extra distance never comes in wrong would be interested to know the dimensions of the new unit and pics of it when you have got one ready,as i may well be interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 The bit about the wobbly DSA made me laugh, sorry. This is the trouble with a 'one-size fits all' approach. It doesn't always work and where I think tailored 3D manufacture can score. I made a custom DSA for one guy that used MTC Mamba's. Completely rock steady and just a small adaption to my general DSA design. I'm waiting on the dual material head to arrive. That will give me much greater freedom when it comes to designing stuff as currently I have to work with the limitations of 3D printing and unsupported surfaces. I'm also switching materials away from co-polyester which, although remarkably strong and chemical resistant, also resists any attempt to bond it. Polycarbonate seems like a good bet, strong, light, resistant to shock and there are materials that can happily print alongside it but break away cleanly when complete. Perfect for support material choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 nothing worse than a wobbly DSA,as i say mick,keep me informed please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's £200 cheaper than a Wardy, and that includes the illuminator and quality torch mount and a printed DSA - however, for me its not a 'business'; if people want one I'll make one, but I'm not pushing it. I just like tinkering to see what how far I can develop it. I'm certainly not getting about to get rich off it (you should see the draws of cameras and component that didn't make the cut). The cost about covers the sum of the parts. Just like you, I can't work out how the big boys justify their costs given the performance and how some other get so close and fail so miserably. Other users also get hung up on how 'small' something is, completely ignoring how limited that makes its use in the field. Better to make use of the dead space between screen and scope and fill it with useful stuff... like a battery that will last more than a couple of hours . I think I've found why my footage looks garbage, I had it on a small resolution and high compression - duh. I'll try some more over the next week or so, I have some fox control to do where they've gone and killed all somebody's turkeys. However, I am a little distracted by a new project as the 17 hornet looms; I need to make an annealer and Old No.7 has been helping enormously with that. Ever played with an Arduino Dave? It's a bit of an eye opener for us 'making things' types. I get enough headaches as it is and would never get my head round them. lol. To be fair, the full time bonafide builders have to cover buildings lease costs, rates, machinery purchase and depreciation, tooling, wages, pensions, power, directors earnings etc that possibly add up to £40 an hour labour rates - or more. Whereas the likes of me - trying to build a part time retirement thing between the kitchen diner and a small workshop at the side of the house have very little overheads. I don't sell as many as people may think I do, less than two a month on average across a year. I have only sold three add-on rigs, spotters are my main interest. Things are busier during dark nights but almost non existent in the summer. Most of what I advertise takes months to sell, I maybe ought to bump them more often. I think that's a great price for the Cube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Magnum Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 That looks a very nice build Mick, hats off to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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