B525 LIGHT Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Gamebore is listing two loads of ITM on their website again. Perhaps they could be loading it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) All I can find is TMX labelled Tungsten Matrix Xtreme @ £65.13p per box of 25 for 32g x 12 bore........composed of tungsten/iron....not tungsten/polymer which is what ITM was/is composed of!............at over £2.50 a pop! Is this why gamebore stopped selling loose shot for homeloading?.........so they can control supply and fix the price...... That is what is advertised at William Powell....the only outlet/price for gamebore TM cartridges I can find! Edited July 27, 2017 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) They are selling 32g and 36g tungsten loads but they are £35-£50 a box. They also do a new bismuth load 32g 4 or 5s for £25+ a box, these list the new bismuth load http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/shotgun-cartridges/ Edited July 27, 2017 by topshot_2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 They are selling 32g and 36g tungsten loads but they are £35-£50 a box. They also do a new bismuth load 32g 4 or 5s for £25+ a box, these list the new bismuth load http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/shotgun-cartridges/ Can't find any ITM for sale......or 32g Bismuth for £25 on your link?.........Can you point out where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 I don't think I would ever consider buying any of the loads mentioned above. They are far too expensive, for what are essentially duck loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted July 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I always found ITM very choke sensitive too. 36g of ITM 1's offers a very low pellet count also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't think I would ever consider buying any of the loads mentioned above. They are far too expensive, for what are essentially duck loads. I would. There is a market for high quality loads that are safe for those guns that are silly choked. My Merkel is like extrafull and 7/8. I would not use steel in em. I'd use them to shoot game though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't think I would ever consider buying any of the loads mentioned above. They are far too expensive, for what are essentially duck loads. Would rather use itm or hevishot any day over steel never mind the cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Really, Graham? Steel is plenty good enough for tall ducks. Anyway, I may fire over 30 shots on an average flight. That is just a little too expensive. For geese on the shore, I use heavy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Really, Graham? Steel is plenty good enough for tall ducks. Anyway, I may fire over 30 shots on an average flight. That is just a little too expensive. For geese on the shore, I use heavy stuff. Yep Motty find steel very iffy where as 32 or 36g of not itm or hevishot drops them stone dead. Where do you shoot to fire 30 shots a flight, inland or shore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Grahamch where in the north east do you go fowling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Yep Motty find steel very iffy where as 32 or 36g of not itm or hevishot drops them stone dead. Where do you shoot to fire 30 shots a flight, inland or shore? Both. I have some fantastic places I can shoot wildfowl. I have not found steel to be lacking for my shooting. In fact, I am often surprised at how far it can cleanly kill stuff. I have shot and seen others shoot some pretty high 'fowl with steel. It is very, very underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Both. I have some fantastic places I can shoot wildfowl. I have not found steel to be lacking for my shooting. In fact, I am often surprised at how far it can cleanly kill stuff. I have shot and seen others shoot some pretty high 'fowl with steel. It is very, very underrated. would you say tungsten is overkill? hevishot and some tungstens (niceshot,ecotungsten itx10,hevi) are about the same density or mildly exceeding 11g/cm3. itx10 being about 9. is that totally overkill? lead is 11g/cm3, is that overkill? i wouldnt say so. i`m not picking a fight or an argument to disrupt you on here. tungsten is great stuff, low speed. ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 would you say tungsten is overkill? hevishot and some tungstens (niceshot,ecotungsten itx10,hevi) are about the same density or mildly exceeding 11g/cm3. itx10 being about 9. is that totally overkill? lead is 11g/cm3, is that overkill? i wouldnt say so. i`m not picking a fight or an argument to disrupt you on here. tungsten is great stuff, low speed. ! No, not overkill, just expensive. I have shot ducks with hevi before (being tooled up for geese) and they obviously killed very well. On the whole, steel will kill for as long as it holds a good pattern (as will most shot, provided the shot is of reasonable size). Put enough steel 3s in the air and they will kill a long way. I have watched on several occasions a friend of mine use 2x Gamebore super steel 32gm 3 (through a double discharge gun) and consistently knock down ducks as high as I would wish to shoot them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted August 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Well said Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 No, not overkill, just expensive. I have shot ducks with hevi before (being tooled up for geese) and they obviously killed very well. On the whole, steel will kill for as long as it holds a good pattern (as will most shot, provided the shot is of reasonable size). Put enough steel 3s in the air and they will kill a long way. I have watched on several occasions a friend of mine use 2x Gamebore super steel 32gm 3 (through a double discharge gun) and consistently knock down ducks as high as I would wish to shoot them. Steel will work, and is great for what it does. Reloads and factory. Whilst the whole package should be looked at. I can't use steel in one of my guns, soft nontoxic is the only way. Whilst expensive, the only way. For wildfowling, steel still is the future. But for those outings where I want to air out my sxs where expense can be tolerated in the short term. Now.those that like to shoot 40+ grain loads of alliance steel,32g loads, that is very expensive. Maybe near or on par with expensive nontoxic. 50p of shot and 2quid of powder. When the alternate could be 2quid in shot, and 50 p powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just done a bit of maths, Cooky. I agree that loading for fast steel loads with Alliant steel can be expensive, but not quite as much as you think. My calculations show that for a 32gm cartridge using 45 gn of AS, the shot works out at around 8p per bang and the powder at just over 25.5p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just done a bit of maths, Cooky. I agree that loading for fast steel loads with Alliant steel can be expensive, but not quite as much as you think. My calculations show that for a 32gm cartridge using 45 gn of AS, the shot works out at around 8p per bang and the powder at just over 25.5p. i calculated from along time ago. i was buying alliant steel for silly money. this is kind of the thing i`m talking about, its not silly money if you really think about it. while i actually applaude you for calculating that, not many do. i can bang out some serious shells for great value. but it also means i can draw that "decoy steel" load down even further. i`d rather shoot very high quality loads and i`m willing to sacrifice some aspects, like avoid buying factory shells. i made some shells to seriously be great duckloads, for £300/k its doable. but let me also say this, when i wanted to buy game shells many years ago, they were £10 a box, local to be, thats right £400/k. nontoxic or premium non toxic even worse. your shells are not far off £400/k, adding 3p in primer. i ended up doing some very cheap steel, 25g steel with a "popular lead target powder" . a bargain at sub £200/k. given the choice now with the reloads i tested, itx 10 gets my vote, it just ultra performed. i will have a hw13 load up and running, by the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 best i can get 36g tungsten load, that s a fine load. (very guestimated, with a wiggle room) 10p powder, 2.3quid in shot. itx10 best i can get 10p in powder, £1600/k (i think) steel load is not far away from £160/k, 25g steel loads.. (25g steel decoy jobbie) (nb this load can even be screwed down even more.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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