ips Posted November 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Mice! said: Have a good chat to the fella when you next load for him, if he is happy to pay you that's fine, but could he get you some pigeon shooting? He might well know folk with land, its not what you know but who, you might do a few hours tuition over a few weeks, probably keep getting him asking you to load for him, could well be a good situation for you? very true ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Anyone who is happy to pay a loader, which round here is £100 a day, will be quite happy to spend £50/hour for some good instruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted November 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, CharlieT said: Anyone who is happy to pay a loader, which round here is £100 a day, will be quite happy to spend £50/hour for some good instruction. exactly ? and as you know loading in many instances is actually minding so the Gun / estate get a loader and an instructor and a safety officer all in one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Where does is it stated that you have to have a certificate to coach from one of the shooting organisations. As far as I know it doesn’t, only thing a very will give you is accredition by that organisation. Experience and competence is the only quality you need to teach instruct another person. I’ve seen some coaches who can’t shoot or teach but have done a course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 You will need an 11.6 exemption if the son does not have a SGC to shoot artificial targets i.e. Clays. This free from local FEO but most require you to be a safety office of some sort. Insurance CPSA and BASC will cover you to instructor if your qualified by them. If not you'll need private insurance Hiscox do it. Going rate is around £30-40 an hour. Or broker a deal with a local clay ground if your friendly with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 20 minutes ago, welshwarrior said: You will need an 11.6 exemption if the son does not have a SGC to shoot artificial targets i.e. Clays. This free from local FEO but most require you to be a safety office of some sort. Insurance CPSA and BASC will cover you to instructor if your qualified by them. If not you'll need private insurance Hiscox do it. Going rate is around £30-40 an hour. Or broker a deal with a local clay ground if your friendly with them. that's useful info thank you. yes I have a local ground that I have a good relationship with. So if I did the coaching there how would that be different to doing it on his land ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, ips said: that's useful info thank you. yes I have a local ground that I have a good relationship with. So if I did the coaching there how would that be different to doing it on his land ?? The ground will have a section 11.6 and safety officer so you don't need them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, welshwarrior said: The ground will have a section 11.6 and safety officer so you don't need them!! so in your opinion is it better for me to instruct the lad at my local clay club rather than the blokes private land ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Yes it'll safe you a lot of extra admin and set time/cost but you'll still need insurance and grounds often ask for qualifications. Loading isn't instructing even in field, so be careful sometimes it takes a bit more than the gifted amateur to sort someone out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 thanks for useful info ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 hours ago, welshwarrior said: You will need an 11.6 exemption if the son does not have a SGC to shoot artificial targets i.e. Clays. This free from local FEO but most require you to be a safety office of some sort. Insurance CPSA and BASC will cover you to instructor if your qualified by them. If not you'll need private insurance Hiscox do it. Going rate is around £30-40 an hour. Or broker a deal with a local clay ground if your friendly with them. Is that correct. Surly in the OP's circumstances, 11A covers the borrowing and lending of shotguns for hunting and artificial targets. It is my understanding that 11.6 merely gives clay grounds and the like, the same exemption to borrow that is available under the act at 11A If that is not the case, then I have been breaking the law ever since 1968. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 01/12/2017 at 23:28, figgy said: Where does is it stated that you have to have a certificate to coach from one of the shooting organisations. As far as I know it doesn’t, only thing a very will give you is accredition by that organisation. Experience and competence is the only quality you need to teach instruct another person. I’ve seen some coaches who can’t shoot or teach but have done a course. That's the same as saying that we've all seen drivers who've 'done a course'. What would the roads be like if no one had? Carnage. The question is, how do you assess your own competence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 We’re talking teaching someone to hit clays or game not driving on public roads but use your analogy if it were on private land teaching driving wouldn’t be a problem. As in teaching anything safety is the most important. I still haven’t seen anything that states only certified instructors can teach. Because it doesn’t state it anywhere. Most of today’s shots were taught by family members or friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I would have thought that the pupil/client rated pretty highly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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