Browning GTS Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 A topic i was replying to has just been deleted please before posting things read this, the information is out there note bullet point 3 If you are engaged in shooting for pest control purposes – such as controlling woodpigeons and corvids - you are advised to observe the following guidelines: 1. You do not need to carry a copy of the general licence. Nevertheless you should consider obtaining a copy, by post or by printing one off from the link above and carrying it with you to produce if you are questioned. 2. You must have the permission of the landowner, preferably in writing, to shoot over his land. 3. Your prime objective is pest control and must meet at least one of the criteria for which the licence is issued, such as: the prevention and spread of disease, the prevention of serious damage to livestock, food stuffs, food-stuffs for livestock, crops, soft fruits, commercial woodlands and inland fisheries. The European Commission recognises that pest control can have the secondary feature of sporting shooting but this cannot be the prime purpose. 4. The terms of the licence state that the "authorised person" has to be satisfied that non-lethal methods of control such as scaring are either ineffective or impracticable. Here are some points to consider: · When decoying or walking up it is important to realise that pigeons are a highly mobile species and target vulnerable crops as and when they ripen and can vary their flightlines throughout the day. It would be ineffective and impractical to set up any stationary deterrent such as a scarecrow or scaregun as the pigeons would merely move field. · When roost shooting you are targeting birds that routinely damage crops in the area but who are distributed over such a large area that is ineffective and impractical to shoot them on site or employ non-lethal methods · When controlling corvids for the protection of wild birds you should be aware that the target species are highly intelligent and quickly become used to static or mechanical scaring techniques, which therefore become ineffective and impractical. Because of this shooting, or the use of static or mobile cage traps, is an effective method of control for territorial birds such as magpies, jays, rooks and crows. 5. There is no obligation on you to have tried non-lethal methods before you commence shooting. 6. There is no obligation on you to keep any records of your pest control activities although it may be to your advantage to maintain records as evidence of your pest control activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Many, many thanks B, I shall get back to those that are not in the know :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 · When controlling corvids for the protection of wild birds you should be aware that the target species are highly intelligent and quickly become used to static or mechanical scaring techniques, which therefore become ineffective and impractical. Because of this shooting, or the use of static or mobile cage traps, is an effective method of control for territorial birds such as magpies, jays, rooks and crows. I thought that Jays had now been removed from the quarry list? CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 That came from BACS site today i think you can still shoot jays if they are causing a specific problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 I thought that Jays had now been removed from the quarry list?CB Nope That came from BACS site today i think you can still shoot jays if they are causing a specific problem. Thanks guys, in March I had glimpsed an article in the March BASC magazine 'JAY'S PEST STATUS CHANGES' The bird has only been removed from the public health/saftey licence but remains on the open gen licence for preventing serious damage to crops foodstuffs and livestock. Personally I have never shot this colourful character there never seems to be many of them around these parts. Ta, CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 They are far from rare here !! I shot more jays than pheasant on a `keepers shoot a couple of years ago. They are colourful and I wouldn`t want to see them disappear, but if you`d like a few hundred............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 They are far from rare here !! I shot more jays than pheasant on a `keepers shoot a couple of years ago. They are colourful and I wouldn`t want to see them disappear, but if you`d like a few hundred............ I'ts strange I was going to say there are more 'jaywings' in cellaphane packets at the angling shop than ever I have seen flying but clearly they must be from the land of the haggis! Cheers, CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 They are far from rare here !! I shot more jays than pheasant on a `keepers shoot a couple of years ago. They are colourful and I wouldn`t want to see them disappear, but if you`d like a few hundred............ I'ts strange I was going to say there are more 'jaywings' in cellaphane packets at the angling shop than ever I have seen flying but clearly they must be from the land of the haggis! Cheers, CB Strangely enough I got a good discount from my local fishing/shooting shop, when i bought a scope, as I was supplying them with wings for a while. Perhaps I should be selling them here ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Henry, I've shot a good few Magpie's from a game shoot peg and I presume Jays break cover and fly similar with a slow deliberate and undulating fight very easy to knock down - one pellet will do 'em! Carry on the good work mate. Cheers, CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgunners Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 A topic i was replying to has just been deleted please before posting things read this, the information is out there note bullet point 3 If you are engaged in shooting for pest control purposes – such as controlling woodpigeons and corvids - you are advised to observe the following guidelines: 1. You do not need to carry a copy of the general licence. Nevertheless you should consider obtaining a copy, by post or by printing one off from the link above and carrying it with you to produce if you are questioned. 2. You must have the permission of the landowner, preferably in writing, to shoot over his land. 3. Your prime objective is pest control and must meet at least one of the criteria for which the licence is issued, such as: the prevention and spread of disease, the prevention of serious damage to livestock, food stuffs, food-stuffs for livestock, crops, soft fruits, commercial woodlands and inland fisheries. The European Commission recognises that pest control can have the secondary feature of sporting shooting but this cannot be the prime purpose. 4. The terms of the licence state that the "authorised person" has to be satisfied that non-lethal methods of control such as scaring are either ineffective or impracticable. Here are some points to consider: · When decoying or walking up it is important to realise that pigeons are a highly mobile species and target vulnerable crops as and when they ripen and can vary their flightlines throughout the day. It would be ineffective and impractical to set up any stationary deterrent such as a scarecrow or scaregun as the pigeons would merely move field. · When roost shooting you are targeting birds that routinely damage crops in the area but who are distributed over such a large area that is ineffective and impractical to shoot them on site or employ non-lethal methods · When controlling corvids for the protection of wild birds you should be aware that the target species are highly intelligent and quickly become used to static or mechanical scaring techniques, which therefore become ineffective and impractical. Because of this shooting, or the use of static or mobile cage traps, is an effective method of control for territorial birds such as magpies, jays, rooks and crows. 5. There is no obligation on you to have tried non-lethal methods before you commence shooting. 6. There is no obligation on you to keep any records of your pest control activities although it may be to your advantage to maintain records as evidence of your pest control activities. what link? Dave K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 A topic i was replying to has just been deleted please before posting things read this, the information is out there note bullet point 3 If you are engaged in shooting for pest control purposes – such as controlling woodpigeons and corvids - you are advised to observe the following guidelines: 1. You do not need to carry a copy of the general licence. Nevertheless you should consider obtaining a copy, by post or by printing one off from the link above and carrying it with you to produce if you are questioned. 2. You must have the permission of the landowner, preferably in writing, to shoot over his land. 3. Your prime objective is pest control and must meet at least one of the criteria for which the licence is issued, such as: the prevention and spread of disease, the prevention of serious damage to livestock, food stuffs, food-stuffs for livestock, crops, soft fruits, commercial woodlands and inland fisheries. The European Commission recognises that pest control can have the secondary feature of sporting shooting but this cannot be the prime purpose. 4. The terms of the licence state that the "authorised person" has to be satisfied that non-lethal methods of control such as scaring are either ineffective or impracticable. Here are some points to consider: · When decoying or walking up it is important to realise that pigeons are a highly mobile species and target vulnerable crops as and when they ripen and can vary their flightlines throughout the day. It would be ineffective and impractical to set up any stationary deterrent such as a scarecrow or scaregun as the pigeons would merely move field. · When roost shooting you are targeting birds that routinely damage crops in the area but who are distributed over such a large area that is ineffective and impractical to shoot them on site or employ non-lethal methods · When controlling corvids for the protection of wild birds you should be aware that the target species are highly intelligent and quickly become used to static or mechanical scaring techniques, which therefore become ineffective and impractical. Because of this shooting, or the use of static or mobile cage traps, is an effective method of control for territorial birds such as magpies, jays, rooks and crows. 5. There is no obligation on you to have tried non-lethal methods before you commence shooting. 6. There is no obligation on you to keep any records of your pest control activities although it may be to your advantage to maintain records as evidence of your pest control activities. what link? Dave K you have a pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 1. You do not need to carry a copy of the general licence. Nevertheless you should consider obtaining a copy, by post or by printing one off from the link above and carrying it with you to produce if you are questioned. what is this general licence for and where do i get one cheers roadkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 DEFRA web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 DEFRA web site which one is it and do i have to have one by law? what are they for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 To keep it simple you can shoot the following for pest control and NOT for sport or food. I hope the following helps. Permits authorised persons to kill or take certain birds, or to take, damage or destroy their nests; or to take or destroy their eggs, for the purposes of: (i) preventing the spread of disease; and (ii) preventing serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters. The species on the licence are: Common name Scientific name Canada Goose Branta canadensis Crow Corvus corone Dove, Collared Streptopelia decaocto Gull, Great Black-backed Larus marinus Gull, Lesser Black-backed Larus fuscus Gull, Herring Larus argentatus Jackdaw Corvus monedula Jay Garrulus glandarius Magpie Pica pica Pigeon, Feral Columba livia Rook Corvus frugilegus Woodpigeon Columba palumbus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 To keep it simple you can shoot the following for pest control and NOT for sport or food. I hope the following helps. Permits authorised persons to kill or take certain birds, or to take, damage or destroy their nests; or to take or destroy their eggs, for the purposes of: (i) preventing the spread of disease; and (ii) preventing serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters. The species on the licence are: Common name Scientific name Canada Goose Branta canadensis Crow Corvus corone Dove, Collared Streptopelia decaocto Gull, Great Black-backed Larus marinus Gull, Lesser Black-backed Larus fuscus Gull, Herring Larus argentatus Jackdaw Corvus monedula Jay Garrulus glandarius Magpie Pica pica Pigeon, Feral Columba livia Rook Corvus frugilegus Woodpigeon Columba palumbus thanks for that could you send me the link to where the licence is so i get get one cheers roadkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 To keep it simple you can shoot the following for pest control and NOT for sport or food. I hope the following helps. Permits authorised persons to kill or take certain birds, or to take, damage or destroy their nests; or to take or destroy their eggs, for the purposes of: (i) preventing the spread of disease; and (ii) preventing serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters. The species on the licence are: Common name Scientific name Canada Goose Branta canadensis Crow Corvus corone Dove, Collared Streptopelia decaocto Gull, Great Black-backed Larus marinus Gull, Lesser Black-backed Larus fuscus Gull, Herring Larus argentatus Jackdaw Corvus monedula Jay Garrulus glandarius Magpie Pica pica Pigeon, Feral Columba livia Rook Corvus frugilegus Woodpigeon Columba palumbus thanks for that could you send me the link to where the licence is so i get get one cheers roadkill You don't have to get a licence to shoot vermin species. It is the general licence which means it covers everybody who needs to control vermin. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countrysi...gen-licence.htm Above is the link you requested Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Nice to see Browning has learned from his encounter with that Canadian Goose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Nice to see Browning has learned from his encounter with that Canadian Goose Tut Tut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted June 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Nice to see Browning has learned from his encounter with that Canadian Goose If you had seen my reply i was within the licence before i went after the goose http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...71&hl=goose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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