Penelope Posted July 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Mice! said: That was an unexpected stage, i was thinking nothing will happen till the mountains and boom!! Great racing. Indeed it was, EDF, Ineos and Quickstep pulled the peloton apart on should have been a quiet day. Good news for G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Whoo! Well done Yates, what a ride. Tactically super in the end there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just watched the highlights, Yates road a perfect ride, got in the right place at the final turn and held on for his first Stage win, I'll bet he's chuffed to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Wow!!!! Chapeau Alaphillipe!!! Vive le France!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Worth watching every yard just to see the look on Thomas's face at the end. "They don't like it up 'em Mr Mannering" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Velocette said: Worth watching every yard just to see the look on Thomas's face at the end. "They don't like it up 'em Mr Mannering" ! I'd still want him in yellow in Paris though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Penelope said: Wow!!!! Chapeau Alaphillipe!!! Vive le France!! highlights again for me, bad crash which you wouldn't expect. I imagine the French are bouncing, tomorrow should be interesting, I always enjoy the mountain finishes, but it's our rugby fun day so it might well be Sunday before i watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 So it looks like INEOS need to break JA in the mountains else he’ll be in yellow in Paris. It’s about to get very interesting. Good to see we are not leveraging the same kind of accusations at JA that the likes of CF & GT have been subjected to previously. To be fair the French are due a home grown winner but I’d still much prefer GT retaining his “crown”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: So it looks like INEOS need to break JA in the mountains else he’ll be in yellow in Paris. It’s about to get very interesting. Good to see we are not leveraging the same kind of accusations at JA that the likes of CF & GT have been subjected to previously. To be fair the French are due a home grown winner but I’d still much prefer GT retaining his “crown”. I think thats the thing Ineos!!! As a team they're outstanding, JA is having a great ride but what about the rest of his team? Because when they take on the mountains you need a team. As for accusations about JA, he's French so they ain't going to accuse him of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mice! said: I think thats the thing Ineos!!! As a team they're outstanding, JA is having a great ride but what about the rest of his team? Because when they take on the mountains you need a team. As for accusations about JA, he's French so they ain't going to accuse him of anything. Agreed on both points. On the latter I specifically meant that we’re not doing as they have done in the past. That said if he smashes the mountains on his own then questions will sadly inevitably be raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Another great stage yesterday, GT lost some time, said he didn't feel great all day so 30 seconds ain't bad, JP looked really good again staying out of trouble and pushing for the win, it's looking like his to loose now with 2 minutes on GT And a great win for PINOT https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49058384 The French are having a great tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 22 hours ago, Mice! said: Another great stage yesterday, GT lost some time, said he didn't feel great all day so 30 seconds ain't bad, JP looked really good again staying out of trouble and pushing for the win, it's looking like his to loose now with 2 minutes on GT And a great win for PINOT https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49058384 The French are having a great tour. Not too shabby for the Brits after yesterday either with 25% of JA’s advantage removed. I do wonder just how good Adam Yates would be if he was in a team like INEOS. Looking forward to tomorrow’s stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Yes i watched most of the stage yesterday on and off, really enjoyed it. I really can't work out what NC is doing , seems like he's struggling but tried going with a break away yesterday then didn't ride? Second stage victory for Adam Yates, he looked really good, but if he was in a bigger team looking at GC contender then they wouldn't let him get away. I think Pinot is the danger man at the moment, if he hadn't of got stuck with those cross winds earlier on and lost time he would likely be in yellow now? And there are more mountains to come, last year GT had Froome as a super domestic i think they were calling him, towing him along, JP might or might not crack, Pinot looks like getting stronger as the climbing increases and GT looked better yesterday, with another two or three riders chasing podium places, the most open race for a long time. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I watched most of it too although I’m hindered by Turkish commentary until I get home on Wednesday. I agree with you but your acronyms confuse me, by JP I assume you mean JA and NC you mean NQ? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I think JA will crack; he doesn't have the team to support him in the Alps. A question mark on GT's form and Ineos (Sky) don't look like their old selves. Pinot is dangerous and looks very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I watched most of it too although I’m hindered by Turkish commentary until I get home on Wednesday. I agree with you but your acronyms confuse me, by JP I assume you mean JA and NC you mean NQ? 😁 Sorry yes JA & NQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Sooo. Luke Rowe's out of the tour. That could be a big loss in the last three stages - especially if they're still going to maintain both G and Bernal as co leaders. Surely now is the time to cut your losses and back one chap all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Looking at the footage, yes they had a bit of a ding dong but the exclusions seem a bit heavy handed to me. Have the appeals been rejected and so this is definitive or still a chance they will be able to continue? Interesting that this impacts two teams who have three riders in the top 5, the other two being French, a coincidence no doubt... Regarding overall team INEOS strategy, I would have thought they need to just ride as a team and their strongest guy prevails? When the going gets hot in the Alps I don't see how they can effectively maintain two leaders independently, with or without Rowe? I'm going to be glued to the coverage over the next three days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: Looking at the footage, yes they had a bit of a ding dong but the exclusions seem a bit heavy handed to me. Have the appeals been rejected and so this is definitive or still a chance they will be able to continue? Interesting that this impacts two teams who have three riders in the top 5, the other two being French, a coincidence no doubt... Regarding overall team INEOS strategy, I would have thought they need to just ride as a team and their strongest guy prevails? When the going gets hot in the Alps I don't see how they can effectively maintain two leaders independently, with or without Rowe? I'm going to be glued to the coverage over the next three days. You may need to check, but I don't think there is any appeal structure for the TdF. The officials' decision is final. I sort of remember Peter Sagan complaining about the lack of appeal when he was booted out a couple of years ago. I agree. Looking at the footage it's just a bit of handbags. No one fell off, no one was injured, it wasn't a particularly dangerous incident, so why blow it out of all proportion? If someone does something truly dangerous, they'll end up with exactly the same punishment, which seems a bit daft to me. I just hope it wasn't an indirect assault on Ineos to limit their hopes of beating the French incumbent of the Yellow Jersey - or is that too cynical of me!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, chrisjpainter said: You may need to check, but I don't think there is any appeal structure for the TdF. The officials' decision is final. I sort of remember Peter Sagan complaining about the lack of appeal when he was booted out a couple of years ago. I agree. Looking at the footage it's just a bit of handbags. No one fell off, no one was injured, it wasn't a particularly dangerous incident, so why blow it out of all proportion? If someone does something truly dangerous, they'll end up with exactly the same punishment, which seems a bit daft to me. I just hope it wasn't an indirect assault on Ineos to limit their hopes of beating the French incumbent of the Yellow Jersey - or is that too cynical of me!? Not too cynical at all in my opinion, it was my first thought after looking at the footage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalfordninja33 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Rowe and Martin are the respective road captains of their teams. Jumbo were blocking the road as inneos we’re trying to move up. It Happens pretty often once the DS are happy with the composition of the break. It looked like handbags and both guys were civil in the post race interviews. Kicking them out seems harsh, a fine more appropriate maybe 🤷♂️ Both will be a big miss. They do a great deal of hard yards early in a stage and in Martins case a lot of the pulling in the jumbo lead out train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: just hope it wasn't an indirect assault on Ineos to limit their hopes of beating the French incumbent of the Yellow Jersey - or is that too cynical of me!? Does make you wonder?? Seemed very harsh to me, i hope they can appeal, i understand it could have been dangerous had they gone down but they didn't??? The Alps is going to settle it obviously, tomorrows three mountains and a down hill finish could hopefully throw up a few surprises, but the down hill finishes do scare me when you realise what kind of speeds their doing. Roll on 7pm tomorrow 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Mice! said: Does make you wonder?? Seemed very harsh to me, i hope they can appeal, i understand it could have been dangerous had they gone down but they didn't The Alps is going to settle it obviously, tomorrows three mountains and a down hill finish could hopefully throw up a few surprises, but the down hill finishes do scare me when you realise what kind of speeds their doing. Roll on 7pm tomorrow 😊 Everyone was in way too much control for it to be dangerous! No one was in any kind of peril. Just the commissaires flexing their muscles a bit. Both were riding for people who could catch Alaphilippe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: Everyone was in way too much control for it to be dangerous! No one was in any kind of peril. Just the commissaires flexing their muscles a bit. Both were riding for people who could catch Alaphilippe. What happened? I did see the high lights but missed the end, where something like this is brought up. Sounds like the French being typically French, from what I have read above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Penelope said: What happened? I did see the high lights but missed the end, where something like this is brought up. Sounds like the French being typically French, from what I have read above. Exactly. Here's the gist of it: Luke Rowe's on the right hand side of the road in a peloton that's going nowhere fast. He's trying to get back to Thomas, who's a little surrounded by Jumbo riders. By this stage it's clear that there's not going to be anything exciting happening in the GC. Tony Martin angles across Luke Rowe, basically cutting him up, he has to swerve a touch and brake. but that's all. He doesn't even leave the road and the supporter's next to him barely flinch. Luke Rowe, somewhat miffed by such skulduggery, gets a light hold of Tony Martin's shoulder, to mildly remonstrate. No one cared. The end. They were both just trying to get their team leader in as safe a position as possible. It was nothing particularly unusual, as shalfordninja33 said. Suddenly the commissaires kick up a stink and boot them both out. Both men were riding in support of team leaders who could very well overtake Alaphilippe. Edited July 25, 2019 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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