Hunter Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I bought a brand new Hatsan Escort synthetic magnum, (for a specific foxing task) And bought a box of SG ammo. My qeustion is, what are the tightest chokes I can use for: 4's BB's SG's I was told in the gunshop to use only Cylinder choke for SG. Is this so? and can I use full choke with BB/4's/6's. Thanks for your help, I am at war today, after a fox stole a chicken of ours, in broad daylight next to our house. I have since declared war on the local fox population, I will patrol the woods in the afternoons with the shotgun, and lamping with a rilfe at night. I need to reduce theirs numbers again (took 6 here a year ago). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Full choke on a 6 will knock it dead, If I had my semi I would full choke it, 6 in the barrel, followed by a 6 and a 4 in the tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Why would you use a mix of carts? I presume for follow up shots. From my experiance, BB gave a quicker cleaner kill then 6's, due to a little more penetration with the heavier lead. I found 6's tend to 'pepper' them. Fine if you bring in a follow up shot or two, but being a stubborn rifle shooter, I would prefer to hit it once with something heavy. My previous shotgun was fixed choke, so im not sure if I can put SG through any kind of choke without causing a K-B. How are you finding your Escort Mag? I have been told they ar quite reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 It's a great gun, but keep it clean otherwise you will get jamming. Mine personally doesn't really like light loads but anything 28g or over its fine. The reason for the mix of shells is if I had my SBS I would load 6 in one 4 in the other so that if it didn't drop first shot the 4 would definitely drop it. With my semi one 6 should be enough to do the job if not I would unload 6 no.2, if I then get another runner after downing the first I have a 4 to sort it out with, no need for back up shot. Always carry a couple of 4's. In short, two 6's and a 4 will give you scope for most eventualities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 My opinion is skip the 6's, and wack it one time with 4+ shot sizes. I think I also have a box of 1's. I dont want it to run off before I have loaded in something heavier. I will give the semi its first clean today though 10 rounds hardly justifies it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Fair one mate, a 6 will kill it stone dead tho on full choke as long as you are not miles away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Hey all, I havent had any luck via search or Google for some info on this, I seem to remember a chart somewhere or suggested choke sizes for large shot, but I had no luck searching it. I know its an odd qeustion as not many people use SG or similar shot.. I just dont want to end up in A&E having barrel splinters removed from my face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john faul Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 hi i have half and three quarter chokes in my gun and i have fired bb,s out of both but personally i would stick to half choke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Would I be right in thinking that is 'Modified' on a multichoke gun? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Isn't there a chart in the instruction manual for the escort? Can't remember. At the end of the day if its the 3.5 magnum, its steel proofed. Slot some 50g mags through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I understand it as: Cyl = Cyl IC = 1/4 Mod = 1/2 IM = 3/4 Ful = Full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Would I be right in thinking that is 'Modified' on a multichoke gun? Cheers! Here ye go: Ducks Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BB, 1, 2, 3 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modified - For Pass Shooting, Improved Cylinder - Over Decoys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: Use BB shot for long range and pass shooting. For normal range--No. 1 or No. 2 shot while some hunters use No. 3 shot for closer range shooting over decoys. Return to Top Geese Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T, BBB, BB, 1 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modified -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: Goose hunters need wallop so they use the big loads with large shot. Many hunters prefer No. 1 shot for a denser pattern at shorter ranges over decoys. WARNING!: Do not use BBB-T-F size shot with any choke tighter than Modified. Return to Top Pheasants Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5, 6, 7½, 8 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Improved Cylinder--for close cover, Modified or Full--for long cornfield shots -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: For cornfield shooting where long shots are usual - better use No. 5. On a normal rise over dogs and for all around use, No. 6 is the favorite. Return to Top Grouse or Partridge Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5, 6, 7½, 8 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Improved Cylinder or Modified--for brush work -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: On the smaller birds such as ruffed grouse or Hungarian Partridge, use the smaller shot. The big western grouse (sage, sooty, and blue) call for heavier loads and larger shot. Return to Top Quail Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7½, 8, 9 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cylinder, Improved-Cylinder, Modified -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: For early season shooting on bobwhites when feathers are light, some hunters use No. 9 shot. Later they switch to No. 7½ or 8. On the running or wild flushing type of quail, such as the Gambel's, large shot is sometimes used. Return to Top Doves and Pigeons Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6, 7½, 8, 9 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Improved-Cylinder, Modified -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: Use lighter loads and No. 7½ or No. 8 shot on mourning doves at normal ranges --for longer ranges use the heavy loads and No. 6 or No. 7½. Use the same load on band tailed pigeons and white wings. Return to Top Woodcock Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7½, 8, 9 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Improved-Cylinder, Modified -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: The choice of shot size here will depend on ranges at which the game is shot. For fast shooting in the alder thickets, No. 8 shot is a good choice. Return to Top Turkey Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4, 5, 6, 7½, 8 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full, Constrictions Should Be Selected Based On Shot Size Used. .6700 Diameter - #4 Lead #6 Hevi-Shot .6650 Diameter - #5 Lead .6600 Diameter - #6 Lead .6550 Diameter - #7 1/2 Lead .6500 Diameter - #8 Lead .6450 Diameter - #9 Lead (Based on Remington 12Ga, 2 3/4" shells. Magnum loads need a more open choke, as does Hevi-Shot) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: Choice of shot size depends on the range. If you're a good caller, No. 6 or No. 7½ shots makes a clean kill. 4s, 5s, 6s, are best for long shots. Return to Top Rabbits Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4, 5, 6, 7½ (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Improved Cylinder, or Modified for brush. Full for long, open shots. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: For rabbits at normal range use lighter loads. For larger jack rabbits, use heavier loads and shot sizes. Return to Top Squirrels Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5, 6 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modified -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: Most hunters prefer heavy loads and use #5 or #6. 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Markio Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 That list has Turkey on it, to me that suggests it's from an American source and if that's the case then there shot size are different no? That wasn't the point you were making i know but worth taking note maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Yeah they will be, but it gives a ball park figure to work to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfish Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Any choke and any shot will be safe, up to SSG. For the record I use 40 grams of number 1 shot out of my Escort and unless im wildfowling I use nothing but the improved cylinder choke. Charlie never stops to ask what im using. Never bother to swap loads 32g #6 for everything but goose and fox, then 40g of #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Would I be right in thinking that is 'Modified' on a multichoke gun? Cheers! Here ye go: Ducks Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BB, 1, 2, 3 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modified - For Pass Shooting, Improved Cylinder - Over Decoys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: Use BB shot for long range and pass shooting. For normal range--No. 1 or No. 2 shot while some hunters use No. 3 shot for closer range shooting over decoys. Return to Top Geese Suggested Shot Sizes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T, BBB, BB, 1 (Check Local Game Laws) Suggested Choke Size: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modified -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: Goose hunters need wallop so they use the big loads with large shot. Many hunters prefer No. 1 shot for a denser pattern at shorter ranges over decoys. WARNING!: Do not use BBB-T-F size shot with any choke tighter than Modified. Found on google Goes to show that all on google isn`t to be trusted.........the above is steel shot !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Yeah they will be, but it gives a ball park figure to work to Ball park !!!......6`s for fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 i use express no 1 in a 42 gram load 1//2 choke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Yeah they will be, but it gives a ball park figure to work to Ball park !!!......6`s for fox Never been out rabbiting then and had a fox run across you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catroofel Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 i started out using a single barrel baikal as a wet behind the ears underkeeper. i was told before i went off on my trap and snare beat 6's for every thing and the head keeper would give me a box of said cartridges. and then 5's for foxes and in the left pocket would go said carts. i can honestly say that i never wounded one with that gun and ammo. so good that i got another when i got my own SGC and still use that advice now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Yeah they will be, but it gives a ball park figure to work to Ball park !!!......6`s for fox Never been out rabbiting then and had a fox run across you? No but I`ve shot several at driven shoots and it took several shots, yet with BB`s, 1`s, 2`sand 3`s it`s never taken that many, you will limit yourself to less than 15 yds using substandard ammo. Care to tell us whether size US T`s are or Spanish 5/0`s are ball park enough ?? Surely the efficiency of a kill is utmost when shooting, to use the same size shot as you would use for pheasant is totally negligent unless you use size 9`s for pheasant ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 i started out using a single barrel baikal as a wet behind the ears underkeeper. i was told before i went off on my trap and snare beat6's for every thing and the head keeper would give me a box of said cartridges. and then 5's for foxes and in the left pocket would go said carts. i can honestly say that i never wounded one with that gun and ammo. so good that i got another when i got my own SGC and still use that advice now. I rest my case............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Yeah they will be, but it gives a ball park figure to work to Ball park !!!......6`s for fox :blink: Never been out rabbiting then and had a fox run across you? Care to tell us whether size US T`s are or Spanish 5/0`s are ball park enough ?? If you read the post instead of jumping on it, you will see that I posted that for CHOKE size not shot size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hill billy Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 generally mate i think sg are a bit of a waste of time in my opinion any way, i find start with 3s then a number 1 and a bb up the tube and you won't go wrong, i would'nt use any tighter choke than half with any big stuff, but the idea of diffrent shot is that say you don't bring it down with the first then you get a shot or two off at him as he is runnin then the heavier will still pack a punch at range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 I use homeloads AAA`s they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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