Sue Gray report

[Scully]

26 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Again you are accepting incompetence and yes Johnson is totally incompetent as was May.  But as you ask Churchill but before my time. Yes the vast majority have been awful but that doesn't make it acceptable.  There are some decent MP's with common sense that never get a look in, Steve Baker I would like to see run the country.

 

Okey, then for arguments sake, let’s say I’m accepting incompetence. However, if I am it’s because I am totally indifferent to who does what in the scheme of things. 
I have lived through quite a few PM’s now, and no matter what party they represent they are all, without exception, egotistical hypocritical liars who will do whatever it takes to win your vote and stay in power. 
I would say Churchill was up there in my top three as PM actually, who rallied and stirred the populace with the British Bulldog spirit when the country needed it during WW2.

Pity he couldn’t have done the same as First Lord of the Admiralty during WW1 when his decisions cost the lives of 1000’s of Allied troops during Gallipoli and the Dardanelles. 
You and your family would be best served by you concentrating on how you can survive and thrive ( in one of the most modern and wealthiest countries in the world ) rather than looking for someone to blame for what you perceive as being responsible for your financial predicament. 


 

[Weihrauch17]

I am not in a financial predicament thanks funds go up and down all the time, not that it is any of your business!  I simply hate to see the country and economy being wrecked by Johnson for everybody's sake.  His handling of the economy is off the scale awful.  You live in the Lakes come and have a look round Burnley if you think we are a modern and wealthy country, not all of us are as lucky as you to be protected from mass immigration and it's consequences by where we live.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Scully]

9 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

I am not in a financial predicament thanks funds go up and down all the time, not that it is any of your business!  I simply hate to see the country and economy being wrecked by Johnson for everybody's sake.  His handling of the economy is off the scale awful.

Ooooh, sorreeeee! Excuse me! 😀
You were the one having a spat about how your pension was being affected! 
I genuinely couldn’t care less about pensions or the FTSE. 🙂

[Weihrauch17]

Bully for you, his actions will effect all of us big time including you.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Dave-G]

8 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Steve Baker would have been my choice.

But we're talking about what the UK voters thought was the right man at the polling station - without the benefit of hindsight and before Covid and the entire world getting it wrong in their rush to deal with it, and before the entire worlds financial melt down, not just ours:

How many voters ticked Steve Bakers box? :-) Its all about what happened back then, not now. Perhaps the next election will go your way.

[Dave-G]

33 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

I am not in a financial predicament thanks funds go up and down all the time, not that it is any of your business!  I simply hate to see the country and economy being wrecked by Johnson for everybody's sake.  His handling of the economy is off the scale awful.  You live in the Lakes come and have a look round Burnley if you think we are a modern and wealthy country, not all of us are as lucky as you to be protected from mass immigration and it's consequences by where we live.

The worlds economy is off the scale awful Lol.

If you have running water, sewage collection, electricity, gas, a car, a roof over you head, your own bed, shoes and socks on your feet and can feed yourself and family, sleep at night you are doing a lot better than possibly half the worlds population.

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, Dave-G said:

But we're talking about what the UK voters thought was the right man at the polling station - without the benefit of hindsight and before Covid and the entire world getting it wrong in their rush to deal with it, and before the entire worlds financial melt down, not just ours:

How many voters ticked Steve Bakers box? 🙂 Its all about what happened back then, not now. Perhaps the next election will go your way.

The Polling station was Johnson or Corbyn?  The choice for Tory party members in the leadership election was Hunt or Johnson.  I have voted Tory all my life, never again.

Just now, Dave-G said:

The worlds economy is off the scale awful Lol.

If you have running water, sewage collection, electricity, gas, a car, a roof over you head, your own bed, shoes and socks on your feet and can feed yourself and family, sleep at night you are doing a lot better than possibly half the worlds population.

Yes I agree with that totally, it doesn't stop me being critical of Johnsons economy wrecking policies.

[Dave-G]

2 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

The Polling station was Johnson or Corbyn?  The choice for Tory party members in the leadership election was Hunt or Johnson.  I have voted Tory all my life, never again.

Splitting hairs then, OK how many Tories voted Steve Baker for the leadership?

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Bully for you, his actions will effect all of us big time including you.

Thank you, but they won’t. I can’t think of any PM since I was old enough to vote, ( Thatcher era ) whose actions have effected me financially.

Many other things have admittedly, but nothing a PM caused. Even when handguns were banned I was quids in; no longer able to keep my handguns obviously, but from a financial point of view well in profit. 🙂

[Weihrauch17]

5 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Splitting hairs then, OK how many Tories voted Steve Baker for the leadership?

Not splitting hairs at all, irrespective of the World economy Johnsons insane main policies are ruinous. I don't know how many Tories voted for Steve Baker.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Gordon R]

Has Burnley Dave returned?

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, Scully said:

Thank you, but they won’t. I can’t think of any PM since I was old enough to vote, ( Thatcher era ) whose actions have effected me financially.

Many other things have admittedly, but nothing a PM caused. Even when handguns were banned I was quids in; no longer able to keep my handguns obviously, but from a financial point of view well in profit. 🙂

Not effected by 10% inflation or higher year on year potentially or fuel and energy costs, good for you.  His insane policies are driving inflation through the roof.   Anyway tired of arguing now, you are not effected by the Clown so well done.

[Dave-G]

4 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Not splitting hairs al all, irrespective of the World economy Johnsons insane main policies are ruinous. I don't know how many Tories voted for Steve Baker.

Steve Baker lost is all we need to know about who those who matter decided was their best candidate for the job.

 

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, Dave-G said:

Steve Baker lost is all we need to know about who those who matter decided was their best candidate for the job.

 

Indeed and what a great choice that has turned out to be!  They will regret it big time come the next Election.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Scully]

7 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Not effected by 10% inflation or higher year on year potentially or fuel and energy costs, good for you.  His insane policies are driving inflation through the roof.   Anyway tired of arguing now, you are not effected by the Clown so well done.

So it’s all down to Boris is it? I see. 🙂

[Dave-G]

2 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Indeed and what a great choice that has turned out to be!

And all the other countries leaders have similar issues - its world wide, not just in Boris-land.

Its no good crying over milk that got spilt trying to sort Covid and the food and fuel crises leading the financial woes.

[wymberley]

On 26/05/2022 at 09:49, wymberley said:

Until 1963, half of the population knew which way was up. Two generations on and those in the know have become more thinly spread. Those who do know understand  the difference between hooliganism and high spirits in their various forms and it has forever been thus.

 

On 26/05/2022 at 10:12, udderlyoffroad said:

What happened in 1963?

 

On 26/05/2022 at 10:51, oowee said:

The last two quoted posts gave me 'right, left' and I was waiting - to no avail - for 'and centre'  for the match. OK, the " half the population" was an exaggeration as a fair percentage of the UK male population was excused duties for whatever reason and the last national serviceman marched off the parade square in 1963. Back then everyone knew that playing murder ball in the NAAFI when a billiard ball went through the odd window was treated and punished as hooliganism. The identical happening in the Officers' Mess was put down to high spirits. This typifies the situation regarding one rule for - you get my drift -  which it always has been, is and always will be so just accept it and move on.

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, Dave-G said:

And all the other countries leaders have similar issues - its world wide, not just in Boris-land.

Its no good crying over milk that got spilt trying to sort Covid and the food and fuel crises leading the financial woes.

Is mass immigration, paying Farmers not to produce food and Nett zero anything to do with Covid.

[Weihrauch17]

6 minutes ago, Scully said:

So it’s all down to Boris is it? I see. 🙂

Given he has stopped consulting Parliament on anything yes and he is the PM so yes again, the economy wrecking policies he is pursuing are owned by him and Sunak 100%.

[Scully]

22 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Given he has stopped consulting Parliament on anything yes and he is the PM so yes again, the economy wrecking policies he is pursuing are owned by him and Sunak 100%.

Ah, I see. Thanks for that. 👍

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, Scully said:

Ah, I see. Thanks for that. 👍

You're wecome.

[Gordon R]

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Given he has stopped consulting Parliament on anything yes and he is the PM so yes again

I note that Boris has wrested back control of the country from Carrie.

Priceless.

[Weihrauch17]

52 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I note that Boris has wrested back control of the country from Carrie.

Priceless.

It was tongue in cheek you totally arrogant snob.

[Gordon R]

As the thread progresses, your true colours show. It isn't pleasant, but just a bit sad.

[Dave-G]

2 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Is mass immigration, paying Farmers not to produce food and Nett zero anything to do with Covid.

Mass immigration via dinghies? That's down to Macrons intranscience and exploiting yuman rights issues which Boris is doing what it takes to shove it up Frances posterior - but it takes a lot of time to muscle it through and not resign because woke wets demand it. 

Paying farmers not to grow is replacing what the EU provided farmers with. This was going on before the food crisis and will take time to sort: we've seen what rushing things through did with Covid 19.

Nett zero - I'm with you on that but we had to be doing something, unfortunately a war came at a bad time for seeing that through. Its caught out most of the world who are trying to reduce global warming, though not affecting those who aren't.