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25" william ford side by side


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Hello, I have recently purchased a william ford side by side sidelock shot gun with 25" barrels & double trigger. I would love to know what year it was made however I have had no luck so far, the serial number behind the trigger gard is 15212. If anyone is able to help I would really appreciate it.

 

Thank you in advance 

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From the book "British Gunmakers: Volume 2 - Birmingham, Scotland and the Regions" by Nigel Brown (pub. Quiller 2005), your gun would date to 1928.  That would also fit with 25" barrels being very much the fashion.

Apparently records (running to 40 volumes!) do exist and were held by Bailons (Gunmakers) Ltd., but they are no longer in business.  I don't know where the records might be now?

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  On 15/12/2024 at 16:40, JohnfromUK said:

From the book "British Gunmakers: Volume 2 - Birmingham, Scotland and the Regions" by Nigel Brown (pub. Quiller 2005), your gun would date to 1928.  That would also fit with 25" barrels being very much the fashion.

Apparently records (running to 40 volumes!) do exist and were held by Bailons (Gunmakers) Ltd., but they are no longer in business.  I don't know where the records might be now?

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Fun fact. Sir Malcolm Guthrie the race car driver owned Bailons. Was big into shooting. Still alive I think. 

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  On 18/12/2024 at 10:00, Fil said:

Fun fact. Sir Malcolm Guthrie the race car driver owned Bailons. Was big into shooting. Still alive I think. 

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Yes, he is listed in the book as a contact along with numbers, but as the book was written around 20 years ago I didn't include that bit as I'm guessing it is out of date.  He may still have the records.

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  On 18/12/2024 at 10:29, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Is that a XXV type 25 inch barrel ?? I remember going to many Game Fairs in the 60/70 and 80s when you could watch a Master Gunsmith working on a English shotgun, I was chatting to a chap on and shoot yesterday with an view to buying a Classic English game gun, 

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The XXV (as in the AyA XXV) has a Churchill type rib (higher and narrow).  It's not clear if the William Ford here has that.  Not all 25" barrelled guns are fitted with the Churchill type rib, though quite. number are.  A friend of mine has a 25" barrelled AyA, but a model 53 (heavier duty and side clipped) that was ordered with 25" barrels.

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  On 18/12/2024 at 10:40, JohnfromUK said:

The XXV (as in the AyA XXV) has a Churchill type rib (higher and narrow).  It's not clear if the William Ford here has that.  Not all 25" barrelled guns are fitted with the Churchill type rib, though quite. number are.  A friend of mine has a 25" barrelled AyA, but a model 53 (heavier duty and side clipped) that was ordered with 25" barrels.

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Hello, Yes your right John, my Army and Navy Boxlock was 26 inch but XXV rib

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