Billett Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I was reading a copy of "What Gun?" looking at the Gun Cabinets section, which explained requirements to ensure that the FEO will approve you for a SGC. It says that suitable places to are waredrobes and lofts. My question is whether a loft is a suitable place, will it cause increased chance of corrosion to both the cabinet and the gun? Plus the added hassel of going up and downa ladder to get then gun. The main reason I ask is that my interior walls are mainly stud walls, which obviously will allow for safe bolting. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Indeed. Actually, Plod doesn't really like lofts. They recognise that when you come in from shooting, if you have to get the loft ladder down to put your gun away and go up 2 flights, then chances are you won't bother and it will end up stored unsecured under the stairs or in a cupboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayward Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 "stud walls, which obviously will allow for safe bolting" err NOT !!!! bolt a big lump of steel to a 3by2 or 70mm x 40mm c16 timber is not what there going to be looking for im afraid You are going to have to find a wall built from brick or block and use suitable fastenings for the type of wall floor joists are sometimes considered in the event of plasterboard houses of today mines in the loft but then again its a loft room with the floor down and plastered walls and a set of fixed ladders i have no built in wardrobes my FEO actually opened the door and put there foot in the safe door and bounced about whist hanging off it i did invite this tho as i was positive it would stand up to this as i fitted it myself and did the same.... after all i want to keep my guns an license Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billett Posted November 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 lol oops typo, that was meant to be,"will not bolt" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Indeed. Actually, Plod doesn't really like lofts. They recognise that when you come in from shooting, if you have to get the loft ladder down to put your gun away and go up 2 flights, then chances are you won't bother and it will end up stored unsecured under the stairs or in a cupboard. That's what my FEO had to say as well- and my loft then was as wet as a shower room. Your gun cabinet doesn't HAVE to stand upright- you could also bolt it to the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billett Posted November 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Is it possible to speak to the FEO before purchase and installation for them to recommend the best way they deem it to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1966 Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Is it possible to speak to the FEO before purchase and installation for them to recommend the best way they deem it to be? you might find they will say not to fit it until the feo has been, and he will recommend a place. the only problem with this is that he will have to return to inspect it once its fitted which might slow down the process. i fitted mine any way and he was happy with it. in fact he just poked his head around the door and said yes that's fine, he didn't even touch the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billett Posted November 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Ok thank you, i found my local FEO number online so i might give him call and ask him what he recons, i dont mind waiting for my SGC as i gotta save up for me gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminzx7r Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Full police guidlines here http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary It does say that a cabinet should be located so as to "frustrate attack" but not in a location where putting your gun away is going to be a hassle and therefor when human nature kicks you cant be bothered to store it safely, not saying you'd do that but I should imaging depending on your loft access my cause the FEO concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 In modern stud wall houses, laying the cabinet flat on the floor and bolting it to a concerete sub floor or to a floor joist will do just fine as long as it cant pull away with a force of less than 2kN. The gun cabinet should be locked by means of one or more secure locks or close shackle padlocks of not less than 1,000 differs. Padlock shackles should be hardened. The cabinets should preferably be in a concealed place. It should not be in a garage or outhouse (only an integral garage is suitable). Principally, only cabinets which meet the specification BS 7558 (1992) are suitable but others may be acceptable if examined by a Firearms Licensing Officer. By standing the cabinet up and using the cabinet floor mounting points the force exerted on the top of the cab will pull it off the floor (physics and all that) but laying it flat reduced the CofG and leverage. hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Mines in the loft,laid horizontal and wall bolted.This is due to stud walls and lack of space.No hint ever of damp in the loft as I guess the heat convects upward to keep it dry?The FEO was happy with a quick look only.If thats the only place then its worth the minor hassle if it means you getting a license.It becomes a necessary routine after shooting. ps By laying it flat you can stuff more guns in it by using the "dead space".I have 4 in a 2 gun cab.May squeeze in a walking stick gun as used by 19th century "Dandies". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billett Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I would say the loft would be my preferable choice, yes the routine is something that would have to be done, but even if I left the gun out once im sure he girlfriend would go mad!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Mine's recessed into a corner wall, about an inch in on both walls, so you can't even lever it out unless you shave off the top inch of plaster and brick all around it :lol: :lol: Trouble is, if I move house, which I'm planning to do, I'll have to nearly rebuild the place :lol: :o That's Manchester for you The FEO was well satisfied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Mines in the loft along with the ammo safe too. No issues with my FLO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I've had the FEO out to see me this week for my grant of SGC, he had a look at where the cabinet was (Dad has a license already) in the loft and shook it and was quite happy, but I asked him about moving it, as I will know be using the gun a lot more and he said the same as someone mentioned - it's all well and good having it in the loft for security, but when you come home late and tired you could leave it unsecured. So I asked him if I could move it, the answer was yes, no problem, just make sure it's bolted to a solid wall. Can be next to a window on 1st floor, but more concealed on ground floor - no need for re-inspection. Jobs a good 'un! Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billett Posted November 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I think the best option for me will be the loft due to space. I have a breeze block wall dividing my loft from the neighbours... what would be best, bolting it to this? or tot he floor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I'd go for the floor bud, breeze blocks provide a pretty **** fixing. 4" wood screws in to the floor/ceiling joists with some big washers on - that'll do the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sick Old Man Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 I have made my loft into a nice little sanctuary, its boarded out with the safe bolted to the chimney breast. A shotgun ammo safe bolted to the top of the safe, I have put in a work bench and love escaping up there for a quiet cleaning session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 I mounted mine into breeze block (or thermoblock) drill some M12 holes and fill them with chemical anchor from screwfix, then set some M10 threaded rod into the resin and let it set (keep the rod straight!) then a washer and a lock nut on the inside of the cabinet, job done! When I asked my FLO about fixing mine to the joists in the loft, he told me that I would be expected to plate any exposed joist with angle iron which would be bolted through the joists. seemed like more hassle and more expense. I am 15 stone and I can JUMP on my cabinet without it moving, so i think it is pretty solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billett Posted December 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Nice, did you cut away the plasterboard before hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Nice, did you cut away the plasterboard before hand? Mine is in the loft so there wasnt any plasterborard. FLO didnt have any problem with loft mounted cabinets due to the house being new and my (now-ex) partners lack of enthusiasm for cutting holes in the walls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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