Bagsy Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 So long as it's date and time stamped there shouldn't be a problem - in most circumstances video footage is admissible as is CCTV footage etc. A statement will normally be required from the person taking the footage so support the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 So long as it's date and time stamped there shouldn't be a problem - in most circumstances video footage is admissible as is CCTV footage etc. A statement will normally be required from the person taking the footage so support the evidence. Bagsy can you offer any supporting facts that may help shed light on the above plz We have access to off the record advise from a very high profile legal official and he says unless police are present at the time of the offence to colaberate its of no use in our circumstance as you need to prove location (private land) as well as offence at the same time, and as one bit of marsh looks like another unless you have a proven land mark (like a church etc) how can you prove where the offence took place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 That's the trouble with 'barrack room' lawyers, long on ideas and tactics but pretty short on facts! :yp: The anti brigade is (very) well organised and full of people with sad little lives and nothing better to do than make life difficult for others (similar to neighbours from hell). They know all the tricks and how to stay within the law. Unfortunately fieldsportsmen are just out for a good time and can't be ***** to get involved in countering the antis and that's your problem. United we stand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 So long as it's date and time stamped there shouldn't be a problem - in most circumstances video footage is admissible as is CCTV footage etc. A statement will normally be required from the person taking the footage so support the evidence. Bagsy can you offer any supporting facts that may help shed light on the above plz We have access to off the record advise from a very high profile legal official and he says unless police are present at the time of the offence to colaberate its of no use in our circumstance as you need to prove location (private land) as well as offence at the same time, and as one bit of marsh looks like another unless you have a proven land mark (like a church etc) how can you prove where the offence took place? Pav - YHPM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 That's the trouble with 'barrack room' lawyers, long on ideas and tactics but pretty short on facts! :yp: Perhaps you could enligten us on the 'facts' then? Pavman asked for ideas and I offerred mine, simple as! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Bear in mind the video evidence trudged up by antis for example against fox hunts etc has been exceptionally hard for them to get any convictions. The problem you have is that it will be a very minor offence that they are guilty of in the eyes of the law. They will be trespassing and interfeering with a legal activity but to my mind that will get them at very most a caution. You need a bit of luck to get a police officer interested who will do something and to my mind that means trying to find one who is a shooter or one who likes the occasional goose or duck delivered before christmas :yp: You need to think clever with these people and think about other ways round the problem. For instance hindering their ability to park any where near, making tracks hard to pass in cars if allowable. We have a public byway that causes loads of problems with stolen cars being brought onto the farm and rallied round fields. The farmer applied to block it but the parish council turned it down so we cure it by running 4x4's down it in the wet and making it impassable to most vehicles. Naughty but legal. Can you vary your visits as they obviously know when you go, could you not turn up a few weekends on the trot so they waste their time etc. Its an absolute ballache but try thinking as laterally as possible as personally I don't think you're going to get any help from the police unless you are very very lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Threatening them with court, legal action etc just doesnt work.Most of the time the result of court proceedings will be a small fine and a telling off by a magistrate.It all depends on who you are dealing with ie organised sabs or a couple of locals that dont like what your doing.If they are the organised sabs,lacs will pay their fines for them, if they are the locals they will have to pay their own fines and will be easier to put off,get their car registration do an hpi check on it,it will give you the address of the current owner,turn up at said address,dont approach the house or the person just make sure they know you know where they live,if you can video them all the better,follow them to work a couple of times,see where their wife works,Do you get the picture?..Dont at any time break any laws or approach this person or even speak to him. All of these tactics are used by antis and they are designed to intimidate without breaking the law,if your anti still persists in disrupting you there is other ways to make him stop!Try this first i am sure it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 give the ****er a good hiding :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Hello one and all, I read today the dissmay of fellow pigeon shooters with regards to the anti's. I have joined this forum specifically to reply to the comments posted. I can't remember all the posts but generally I get the feeling that shooters are not happy with the police response. I am NOT speaking for the police service in general, ONLY what happens within Cambridgeshire. I am a PLOD (don't much like the term myself but there you go) in cambridgeshire working for a specialist rural unit dealing ONLY with rural issues. I am very proud of the fact that I am part of this team giving a response to the rural comunity that I serve. It is one of very few that exists across the country. We are there for advice to the responce officers that may initially attend complaints, and yes even to our firearms department, as we have a better working knowledge of the countryside ( I am at pigeon shooting complaints quite often,) and a better raport with the shooters themselves. All I will say is that..... if you value your shotgun licence, be very careful, as one post stated that it only takes one "anti" to make an allegation......... even though I am country born and bred, I will remain impartial and profesional, and investigate allegations as they are reported. Protect yourself and video the the incidents, what have you got to loose?? Even if it can't be used in court, show the police officer (if you get one) on attendance to refute any allegations. If you are shooting legally with permission you should have nothing to fear. Yes there is a priority system of graging incidents, and for some forces countryside issues are not at the fore. In Cambridgeshire, EVERY complaint the team gets is followed up by a visit or at the very least a call, and then a visit if they want one. The best advice I can give if the police are called to attend your shoot is: - have your shotgun licence AND your permission slip to shoot the land where you are with you at the time. It saves a whole load of time, and it proves that you are there legally. I would like to end by saying that I do feel for you folks that feel let down when you make a complaint to the police and get little or no response wherever you are, BUT PLEASE DON'T GIVE US A HARD TIME. We do a very difficult job at the best of times. Does anyone on this forum have to wear stab vest and carry CS spray and a metal stick at their workplace?? Now that I've found the forum I will stay here (if I'm aloud ) If anyone is intersted, here is my work web page http://www.cambs.police.uk/myneighbourhood/ruralpolicing/ Kind regards to you all, hope this helps in some small way Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Welcome, and thanks for coming in and giving your side of the story - I'm sure most on here will appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 A proper copper, sounds like the old school you can real answer from. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart92 Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 hi all havent been on for sum time eney way is this legal found it on helpinganimals.com ..... What You Can Do Before you support a “wildlife†or “conservation†group, ask about its position on hunting. Groups such as the National Wildlife Federation, the National Audubon Society, the Sierra Club, the Izaak Walton League, the Wilderness Society, and the World Wildlife Fund are pro-sport-hunting or, at the very least, they do not oppose it. To combat hunting in your area, post “no hunting†signs on your land, join or form an anti-hunting organization, protest organized hunts, and spread deer repellent or human hair (from barber shops) near hunting areas. Call 1-800-448-NPCA to report poachers in national parks to the National Parks and Conservation Association. Educate others about hunting. Encourage your legislators to enact or enforce wildlife-protection laws, and insist that nonhunters be equally represented on the staffs of wildlife agencies stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Sounds American mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 If its a 1-800 number, thats a freephone US number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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starlight32 Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Hello one and all, I read today the dissmay of fellow pigeon shooters with regards to the anti's. I have joined this forum specifically to reply to the comments posted. I can't remember all the posts but generally I get the feeling that shooters are not happy with the police response. I am NOT speaking for the police service in general, ONLY what happens within Cambridgeshire. I am a PLOD (don't much like the term myself but there you go) in cambridgeshire working for a specialist rural unit dealing ONLY with rural issues. I am very proud of the fact that I am part of this team giving a response to the rural comunity that I serve. It is one of very few that exists across the country. We are there for advice to the responce officers that may initially attend complaints, and yes even to our firearms department, as we have a better working knowledge of the countryside ( I am at pigeon shooting complaints quite often,) and a better raport with the shooters themselves. All I will say is that..... if you value your shotgun licence, be very careful, as one post stated that it only takes one "anti" to make an allegation......... even though I am country born and bred, I will remain impartial and profesional, and investigate allegations as they are reported. Protect yourself and video the the incidents, what have you got to loose?? Even if it can't be used in court, show the police officer (if you get one) on attendance to refute any allegations. If you are shooting legally with permission you should have nothing to fear. Yes there is a priority system of graging incidents, and for some forces countryside issues are not at the fore. In Cambridgeshire, EVERY complaint the team gets is followed up by a visit or at the very least a call, and then a visit if they want one. The best advice I can give if the police are called to attend your shoot is: - have your shotgun licence AND your permission slip to shoot the land where you are with you at the time. It saves a whole load of time, and it proves that you are there legally. I would like to end by saying that I do feel for you folks that feel let down when you make a complaint to the police and get little or no response wherever you are, BUT PLEASE DON'T GIVE US A HARD TIME. We do a very difficult job at the best of times. Does anyone on this forum have to wear stab vest and carry CS spray and a metal stick at their workplace?? Now that I've found the forum I will stay here (if I'm aloud ) If anyone is intersted, here is my work web page http://www.cambs.police.uk/myneighbourhood/ruralpolicing/ Kind regards to you all, hope this helps in some small way Tony Tony, Firstly welcome to the forum. The original post on this topic was made by a good friend of mine who like me is experiencing serious Anti problems within land we shoot in a local wildfowling club. We have engaged the local police many times with very little response, who keep telling us it is a citizen's lawful right to protest, although it is unlawful to disrupt an individual in doing so while engaging in a lawfull activity. The laws of trespass are also seriously flawed in this country too. The final straw for me came when my friend contacted the local police with regard to further clarification regarding these flaws and dueful reporting of incidents only to be told by the officer in the control center- ' Do you not think by doing what you are doing going around shooting things is up setting people rather more than them upsetting you?' I thought that yourselves as police officers were not permitted to have an open opinion or bias- correct? As for valueing my SGC, every forum member on this site does but if we are faced with four anti's and an allegation against us of any wrong doing we are immmediately hung out to dry- correct? We now have to resort to going shooting in these areas in two's and three's to ensure our integrity is covered against these people, and that is not forgetting verbal abuse and indistcriminate damage we endure against vehicle's etc. As a police force and with the ban on Fox hunting, shooting and angling will take the place of protesters as simply they have to have a 'campaign'. The U.K should take a leaf out of America's book- and treat these animal rights protesters for what they are- Terrorists which need to be montiored closely by goverment agencies and treated with contempt they deserve. P.S If you could shed some light on a positive way forward for this problem please advise. Regards starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Hi Starlight, will you PM me with a phone number so I can get the specifics? regards Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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