Rottweiller kills one year old lad

[salisburykeeper]

QUOTE(salisburykeeper @ Dec 29 2007, 01:27 AM)

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

Salisburykeeper - do you own a dog? I think that whatever dog you own should be banned. It has the same potential to harm. Don't talk about the size of dog or breed. They can all bite and virtually any dog could kill a one year old child - Springers, Cockers, Bull Mastiffs(the Gamekeeper of old's friend), Collies. It boils down to the irresponsible idiots who own dogs or let their children go near potentially dangerous animals.

I totally agree it comes down to the owners but thers a bit of a difference between having something like a jack russell hanging off your arm to a rottweiler, the point im trying to make is that if you had a so called "nice" rottweiler and one day it turned on your child and you didnt have your gun to hand how many seconds do you think it would take to kill your kid? and how exactly would you go about stopping it atacking? they are ridiculus dogs! im entitled to my opinion and i dont think they should be kept as pets, they are renowned for being agressive. yes any dog can bite and yes terrier breeds are little **** when it comes to biting sometimes but they arent as much of a threat to people as a rottweiler, ive been in situations where i have been fortunate enough to handle lions and tigers, these are placid too but can and will turn on people, my point is you just cant stop a big animal like that and they definatly should not be so readily available as pets especially to chavs and suchlike

 

So, just to clarify. You want every 'large' dog banning? If a Rottie is too big an animal to be kept as a pet, then how about Mastiffs, Dobermans, Great Danes, Newfies or any large or giant dog breed?

where exactly do i say all large dogs should be banned? i dont! its my personal opinion that rottweilers are dangerous unpredictable and should be regulated in some way to stop morons keeping them

[al4x]

its your personal opinion based on what? have you ever handled one or lived with one or is it purely down to a little bit of "knowledge" being a bad thing

This dog was 2 1/2 years old it was being kept away from the children in a well fenced back yard, it was well socialised with people and other animals by the sounds of things it was even fine with the family cat. To tar all dogs because of a couple of incidents is exactly the same as saying all guns should be banned after dunblane. Why do people want to keep them well they are a very loyal loving family pet in the correct circumstances ok a large one but as all dog owners know you do have to be carefull with breeding but in this case there is nothing to suggest the dog was a problem.

It snatched the baby from the older childs arms and killed it, Did it know it was a baby or was it well wrapped up and like a pile of rags we won't know but when it grabbed it the baby would have started crying a lot which can stir dogs up to the point where they just instinctively carry on till the noise stops. It is very sad but as a breed they are no more agressive than the likes of German Shepards, Collies, Akitas etc etc If you had your way would you really want hundreds of thousands of the larger breeds destroyed?

[LEFTY478]

I can't help thinking that; anybody who believes that a 'ban' is the answer, simply hasn't understood the question.

 

Needless and tragic death, though.

[Suffolk shooter]

i have views on this but am not going to air them .who am i to judge .

all i know is that there is some poor women out there .dont matter what her aged is .who has lost a child in such a shocking way.

as a mum my feelings are for her and her famliy

suzy

 

Suzy you are so right.

 

SS

[jerico]

brothet phoned me just now said his doberman who is normally shy and playfull just bit his neigbours daughter full on in the head, is going to vets tomorrow to put it to sleep.

 

What about the dog?

[russuk]

where exactly do i say all large dogs should be banned? i dont! its my personal opinion that rottweilers are dangerous unpredictable and should be regulated in some way to stop morons keeping them

 

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

I totally agree it comes down to the owners but thers a bit of a difference between having something like a jack russell hanging off your arm to a rottweiler, the point im trying to make is that if you had a so called "nice" rottweiler and one day it turned on your child and you didnt have your gun to hand how many seconds do you think it would take to kill your kid? and how exactly would you go about stopping it atacking? they are ridiculus dogs! im entitled to my opinion and i dont think they should be kept as pets, they are renowned for being agressive. yes any dog can bite and yes terrier breeds are little **** when it comes to biting sometimes but they arent as much of a threat to people as a rottweiler, ive been in situations where i have been fortunate enough to handle lions and tigers, these are placid too but can and will turn on people, my point is you just cant stop a big animal like that and they definatly should not be so readily available as pets especially to chavs and suchlike

 

Above. If you can't stop an animal the size of a Rottie, then the same can be said for any large/giant breed of dog, so you restrictions (ban) on them as pets would surely be for them to?

[salisburykeeper]

where exactly do i say all large dogs should be banned? i dont! its my personal opinion that rottweilers are dangerous unpredictable and should be regulated in some way to stop morons keeping them

 

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

I totally agree it comes down to the owners but thers a bit of a difference between having something like a jack russell hanging off your arm to a rottweiler, the point im trying to make is that if you had a so called "nice" rottweiler and one day it turned on your child and you didnt have your gun to hand how many seconds do you think it would take to kill your kid? and how exactly would you go about stopping it atacking? they are ridiculus dogs! im entitled to my opinion and i dont think they should be kept as pets, they are renowned for being agressive. yes any dog can bite and yes terrier breeds are little **** when it comes to biting sometimes but they arent as much of a threat to people as a rottweiler, ive been in situations where i have been fortunate enough to handle lions and tigers, these are placid too but can and will turn on people, my point is you just cant stop a big animal like that and they definatly should not be so readily available as pets especially to chavs and suchlike

 

Above. If you can't stop an animal the size of a Rottie, then the same can be said for any large/giant breed of dog, so you restrictions (ban) on them as pets would surely be for them to?

putting my comments together like that i can see what you are saying, what i was trying to say is that there should be regulations in place to stop dogs that are potentially dangerous being kept by people that are only using them as a status symbol, for example chavs and druggies who live in a small flat with 2 kids and a rottwieler, its a recipe for disaster, im not saying every large breed of dog should be banned far from it. anyone is allowed to keep one of these dogs at the moment and anyone is also allowed to have a shotgun, the only difference is that shotguns are regulated and would never be granted to someone that would knowingly misuse one.I have personal experience with rottweilers and know exactly what they are like i am not forming this opinion blindly

[JJaxeman]

QUOTE(salisburykeeper @ Dec 29 2007, 01:27 AM)

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

Salisburykeeper - do you own a dog? I think that whatever dog you own should be banned. It has the same potential to harm. Don't talk about the size of dog or breed. They can all bite and virtually any dog could kill a one year old child - Springers, Cockers, Bull Mastiffs(the Gamekeeper of old's friend), Collies. It boils down to the irresponsible idiots who own dogs or let their children go near potentially dangerous animals.

I totally agree it comes down to the owners but thers a bit of a difference between having something like a jack russell hanging off your arm to a rottweiler, the point im trying to make is that if you had a so called "nice" rottweiler and one day it turned on your child and you didnt have your gun to hand how many seconds do you think it would take to kill your kid? and how exactly would you go about stopping it atacking? they are ridiculus dogs! im entitled to my opinion and i dont think they should be kept as pets, they are renowned for being agressive. yes any dog can bite and yes terrier breeds are little **** when it comes to biting sometimes but they arent as much of a threat to people as a rottweiler, ive been in situations where i have been fortunate enough to handle lions and tigers, these are placid too but can and will turn on people, my point is you just cant stop a big animal like that and they definatly should not be so readily available as pets especially to chavs and suchlike

 

So, just to clarify. You want every 'large' dog banning? If a Rottie is too big an animal to be kept as a pet, then how about Mastiffs, Dobermans, Great Danes, Newfies or any large or giant dog breed?

 

I myself am a Rottie owner I have a female 3 1/2 years old had from pup and would recomend them to anyone who would want a loving / loyal family dog the only trouble is the owners its not the dog that is at fault but the owner any dog can attack a child but only dogs like rottie's/ dobermans / german sheppards will make the news. I was out walking my dog a few weeks back and we were both attacked by two engish staffs being walked in the fields by what I can only descibe as Chav's my dog was bleeding from the nose where she was bitten not once did she try to have ago back because that is how she has been brought up.

 

I have always had larger dog's as has all my family through out my life (36 years) and not once have I had any dangerous encounters with any of them. Ban the owners not the animals.

 

And also just for the record my youngest daughter when she was about 7 was attacked and biten on the face and arm by a Weimaraner (whilst walking our dog) now should we ban them ??

 

Of course not it wouldn't make the headlines.

 

Stupid idiot's for owners thats all the problem is enough said.

[dustyfox]

But I tell yu what people you know the ban or some new regulation is going to happen. Its the films and the press that make these dogs sound dangerous.

 

There are some good owners and good natured Rotties out there but there are some that are dangerous and are classed as the same breed still. I remember my Labrador puppy running up to a Rottweiller It was growling at him and you should of seen the eyes of the rotties it was scary, anyway the owner didnt do anything to get her dog back, I know it was my fault for not having my dog under proper control but all she said is "that was close he was going to go for him if you didnt grab him".

 

Remember That the Rottie that attacked the kid it was his territory and he must of thought that the kid was some intruder to his patch, remember a dog has got that sense of danger.

 

I think Salisbury Keeper is just trying to say that he wants a way to keep these dogs away from the wrong owners where they use them for a status symbol or just for Christmas and to be left outside with no attention when they get bored of them.

[OldBill]

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

I'm sure others have sprung to the defence of the breed, but I will also. I used to own a Rottie- an 8 1/2 stone bitch and without a doubt she was the best mannered dog I've ever had. There first recorded use was as war dogs for the Romans but found their way to Germany where they were bred and used as cattle dogs (protection and herding). Look on the KC website and you will see that they are more well mannered than a lot of "usual" breed dogs kept as pets.

 

However, they are clumsy and whereas if you rile a JR and get a nip, do the same to a Rottie and the bite will be larger. The breed is nothing like pitbulls and cannot be compared to them. Other herding dogs do not get such a bad name, but because of their size and appearance they do. As a percentage of dog bites per year (expressed as a percentage and not on numbers alone because that would be disproportinate) but there are more bites by labradors than Rotties each year.

 

Take this or leave this but it appears that you are either ill advised or ignorant of the facts.

 

HNY.

[salisburykeeper]

But I tell yu what people you know the ban or some new regulation is going to happen. Its the films and the press that make these dogs sound dangerous.

 

There are some good owners and good natured Rotties out there but there are some that are dangerous and are classed as the same breed still. I remember my Labrador puppy running up to a Rottweiller It was growling at him and you should of seen the eyes of the rotties it was scary, anyway the owner didnt do anything to get her dog back, I know it was my fault for not having my dog under proper control but all she said is "that was close he was going to go for him if you didnt grab him".

 

Remember That the Rottie that attacked the kid it was his territory and he must of thought that the kid was some intruder to his patch, remember a dog has got that sense of danger.

 

I think Salisbury Keeper is just trying to say that he wants a way to keep these dogs away from the wrong owners where they use them for a status symbol or just for Christmas and to be left outside with no attention when they get bored of them.

spot on! someone finally got what i was trying to say,

[tosspot]

QUOTE(dustyfox @ Dec 31 2007, 12:18 PM) *

But I tell yu what people you know the ban or some new regulation is going to happen. Its the films and the press that make these dogs sound dangerous.

 

There are some good owners and good natured Rotties out there but there are some that are dangerous and are classed as the same breed still. I remember my Labrador puppy running up to a Rottweiller It was growling at him and you should of seen the eyes of the rotties it was scary, anyway the owner didnt do anything to get her dog back, I know it was my fault for not having my dog under proper control but all she said is "that was close he was going to go for him if you didnt grab him".

 

Remember That the Rottie that attacked the kid it was his territory and he must of thought that the kid was some intruder to his patch, remember a dog has got that sense of danger.

 

I think Salisbury Keeper is just trying to say that he wants a way to keep these dogs away from the wrong owners where they use them for a status symbol or just for Christmas and to be left outside with no attention when they get bored of them.

 

spot on! someone finally got what i was trying to say, good.gif

 

 

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

 

Err, not wishing to stir it but.................that's not how it reads to me

[paulf]

QUOTE(dustyfox @ Dec 31 2007, 12:18 PM) *

But I tell yu what people you know the ban or some new regulation is going to happen. Its the films and the press that make these dogs sound dangerous.

 

There are some good owners and good natured Rotties out there but there are some that are dangerous and are classed as the same breed still. I remember my Labrador puppy running up to a Rottweiller It was growling at him and you should of seen the eyes of the rotties it was scary, anyway the owner didnt do anything to get her dog back, I know it was my fault for not having my dog under proper control but all she said is "that was close he was going to go for him if you didnt grab him".

 

Remember That the Rottie that attacked the kid it was his territory and he must of thought that the kid was some intruder to his patch, remember a dog has got that sense of danger.

 

I think Salisbury Keeper is just trying to say that he wants a way to keep these dogs away from the wrong owners where they use them for a status symbol or just for Christmas and to be left outside with no attention when they get bored of them.

 

spot on! someone finally got what i was trying to say, good.gif

 

 

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

 

Err, not wishing to stir it but.................that's not how it reads to me

[dustyfox]

QUOTE(dustyfox @ Dec 31 2007, 12:18 PM) *

But I tell yu what people you know the ban or some new regulation is going to happen. Its the films and the press that make these dogs sound dangerous.

 

There are some good owners and good natured Rotties out there but there are some that are dangerous and are classed as the same breed still. I remember my Labrador puppy running up to a Rottweiller It was growling at him and you should of seen the eyes of the rotties it was scary, anyway the owner didnt do anything to get her dog back, I know it was my fault for not having my dog under proper control but all she said is "that was close he was going to go for him if you didnt grab him".

 

Remember That the Rottie that attacked the kid it was his territory and he must of thought that the kid was some intruder to his patch, remember a dog has got that sense of danger.

 

I think Salisbury Keeper is just trying to say that he wants a way to keep these dogs away from the wrong owners where they use them for a status symbol or just for Christmas and to be left outside with no attention when they get bored of them.

 

spot on! someone finally got what i was trying to say, good.gif

 

 

Personally i think rottwiellers should be banned like pit bulls, I cant see the point in having them aprt from having them as guard dogs! as family pets its ridiculous.they are usually kept by people who use them as a status symbol, to prove they really are muppets!

 

 

Err, not wishing to stir it but.................that's not how it reads to me

 

If you read that website that I posted earlier on it said that Rottweillers were the 2nd most common attack made by dogs after pitbulls. So in a way they should be controled.

[paulf]

The majority of rotweilers Ive encounterd have been soft slightly clumsy dogs of good nature however the one rottie who Id known for two years took exception to me opening a yard gate (something id done thousands of times before) and jumped up with so mutch force that her head bent the bar of the gate thankfully i pulled my arm away instinctivly and only my jacket and jumper sleve were ripped and not flesh. The dog subsequently died two years later of a cancer and with the exception of this one incident was perfectly behaved.

 

I wouldnt ban any breed however I certainly would never leave a child with a dog no matter how big, small or aparently docile a dog. A dog is a domesticated wild animal and like any animal may flip no matter how well trained, however the properly trained owner understands this and doesnt put the dog in compromising positions.

[salisburykeeper]

well paulf thats your opinion,i have mine,whats your point? they should be controlled,if you had a hoodie in your street with one that was left in a yard all day and could get out at anytime and savage a kid are you saying you dont think these conditions should be controlled?im sure there are plenty of responsible rottie keepers out there but i bet there are just as many that arent,that is the point!BANNING MORONS! if it means licencing the breed so be it!

i would rather that than another kid getting killed!

[salisburykeeper]

I have seen more rottweillers that are friendly and soft than agressive ones. I have found that collies are often agressive, shall we ban them too.

 

Sorry but if you join the 'lets ban everything' brigade then we wont be able to do anything soon.

im refering to regulating in some way the chavs and idiots of the population from having dangerous dogs, we currently have a government letting in half a million imigrants into britain a year at the moment,and they cant organise their **** from their elbow. i dont think putting a licence onto potentially dangerous dogs is going to lead to us having a curfew every night and asking for permission to take a ****! but it might stop another kid getting killed, just as a matter of interest how many kids have been killed by collies in the last 5 years?

and as to refering the subject to the "lets ban everything brigade" its just narrow mindedness avoiding addressing yet another subject, thats probably why the country is getting taken over by foreigners because everyone takes the back seat has an opinion but does sweet fa about things.

in the same context are you saying we shoudnt have to have shotgun licenses?shotguns are potentially dangerous in the wrong hands ,so you think because you know a few people that are sensible that the rest of the population would be as well?

surely banning your local drug dealers and nutters from having a dog that is capable of killing is a good thing? I think it is and theres nobody out there that will ever convince me otherwise.

[paulf]

Sailsbury Keeper,

 

I dont think that licencing or banning will do any good, Just look at the sham of a hunting ban or the hand gun legislation. Even with legislation there will be acidents except those who are responsible owners will find it harder to own dogs and more costly. Start with legislation to control rottys and were does it end German shepeards, Collies?

 

Legislation may infact make it more desirable for the chavs etc to keep certain breeds.

[salisburykeeper]

I understand what you are saying and agree totally the government never do anything right and would probably have a record amount of dog attacks the week they decide to enforce any type of licencing , but done properly it would stop the wrong types from having these animals in the first place.

[paulf]

I understand what you are saying and agree totally the government never do anything right and would probably have a record amount of dog attacks the week they decide to enforce any type of licencing , but done properly it would stop the wrong types from having these animals in the first place.

 

 

To an extent we seem to agree, however the more folk shout about bans/restrictions the more likely some labour party jerk will launch a private members bill and cause us the law abiding further hastle.

[roadkill]

maybe there should be some sort of licence for these dogs ...

 

bercause most owners are chavs and have them as a hardness symbol ......

 

The ones i have met have all been soft and very loyal dogs . but as with all dogs they are wild

[Hodmedod.one]

I understand what you are saying and agree totally the government never do anything right and would probably have a record amount of dog attacks the week they decide to enforce any type of licencing , but done properly it would stop the wrong types from having these animals in the first place.

 

The chances are that most of these "wrong types" that you mention should be locked up in the first place for being criminals.

If the Police don't nick them for being drug dealers (to use one of your examples), what is the chance of them getting nicked for having a big dog?

[paulf]

'The chances are that most of these "wrong types" that you mention should be locked up in the first place for being criminals'

 

Sadly not likely under any mainstream goverment but totally true.

[salisburykeeper]

I understand what you are saying and agree totally the government never do anything right and would probably have a record amount of dog attacks the week they decide to enforce any type of licencing , but done properly it would stop the wrong types from having these animals in the first place.

 

The chances are that most of these "wrong types" that you mention should be locked up in the first place for being criminals.

If the Police don't nick them for being drug dealers (to use one of your examples), what is the chance of them getting nicked for having a big dog?

well for starters a rottwieler stands out a bit more than £10 bag of pott!

[salisburykeeper]

erm yes but a rottweiler doesnt look like a pitt bull , and they would be a little bit hard to hide.and if the people you know have handguns and pittbulls you must be very proud! i dont know if you have a sgc but if the police associate you with them you wont have it for long.

your associates are the reason kids keep getting mauled by dogs, and kids keep getting shot! I wouldnt normally make a personal remark but airing on an open forum that you know people who have handguns and pittbulls is idiotic!!