billsy Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hi guys do any of you have permission to shoot on ministry of defence property with airguns? My local area is surrounded with mod training areas both used and un used, there is also a dis-used camp at the back of my house which is teaming with rabbits, crows and magpies. I have tried in vain to try and find somebody who is in charge of the up keep of the land and can grant permission to shoot. The dis-used camp would be ideal to shoot on as there is no public access and it has a security company who control the entrance. The security guys boss has denied me permission to the camp without authority from the mod. If i get permission from the mod he will let me on the property but he says he has no idea who I need to speak to??? So any help with who to contact or previous experience on gaining permission would be greatly recieved. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hi guys do any of you have permission to shoot on ministry of defence property with airguns? My local area is surrounded with mod training areas both used and unused, there is also a dis-used camp at the back of my house which is teaming with rabbits, crows and magpies.I have tried in vain to try and find somebody who is in charge of the up keep of the land and can grant permission to shoot. The dis-used camp would be ideal to shoot on as there is no public access and it has a security company who control the entrance. The security guys boss has denied me permission to the camp without authority from the mod. If i get permission from the mod he will let me on the property but he says he has no idea who I need to speak to??? So any help with who to contact or previous experience on gaining permission would be greatly received. Cheers I would give up gracefully mate, more chance of being bitten by a daffodil. they don't and wont give permission to the public tried in vein myself, good luck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 contacting the MOD might be a good start http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/ContactUs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 agree with fleabag, chances are to get permission to carry a gun on MOD property (abandoned or not) you are going to have to talk to someone pretty high up, and they chances of them having any interest is very slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsy Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Have tried the email option dazza but nobody bothered to reply. I am in the forces my self and have spent a fair bit of time on the phone trying to find out who actually deals with access issues but with no results!!! Everybody just gives me another number which often leads you back to a person you have already spoke to ( hard to try and stay polite ). I think there is now a civilian contractor in charge of all MOD estates but there seems to be more chance of platting p**ss as finding out who could grant permission. You might be right fleabag time to give up? Just winds me up when I can look out of my bedroom window every day at an abandoned camp full of quarry and nobody to enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 same with me mate, I work on the railway and see places that are absolutely crawling with rabbits at the side of the track - but I am not allowed to shoot there, even when the tracks are closed! most of the rabbits are used to the vans going up and down the access roads, so often dont move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 It is possible to get permission on mod property but only on certain areas for obvoius reasons, i am only allowed to shoot shotgun on there not allowed to take a rifle of any description.It is possible for anyone to gain access but it does help if you are referred by someone you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parky844 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 i shoot on mod land ,the people you need to speak to are defence estates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldh Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 i shoot on mod land ,the people you need to speak to are defence estates hello mate i take it your on humphries or quetta somewhere if so the people who may know will be the lot down the bottom of goverment road in aldershot near the driving test place , i forget the name of the place its where they do the gocarts. thats the place where all the housings was controlled when we were doing the referbs down quetta and wakefords a few years back. i tried to et shooting right for the queen elizibeth barracks some time back but never got anywhere so i wish you better luck than me brain wave i think it modern housing that run it all now. anyway hope this helps lee :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Now here's a question... Is MOD property considered "private property". As far as I'm aware, you will only get charged with "Armed Tresspass" if caught with a firearm on "private Property" with out the owner's permission. One way to find out who the owner is though.. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 You could ask the security company where they send there invoices to, some one there needs to authorise payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi guys do any of you have permission to shoot on ministry of defence property with airguns? My local area is surrounded with mod training areas both used and un used, there is also a dis-used camp at the back of my house which is teaming with rabbits, crows and magpies.I have tried in vain to try and find somebody who is in charge of the up keep of the land and can grant permission to shoot. The dis-used camp would be ideal to shoot on as there is no public access and it has a security company who control the entrance. The security guys boss has denied me permission to the camp without authority from the mod. If i get permission from the mod he will let me on the property but he says he has no idea who I need to speak to??? So any help with who to contact or previous experience on gaining permission would be greatly recieved. Cheers what MOD land is this, is it gibraltar barracks by chance, and the minley training area, if so then thats my permision, but sadly not with airguns, only shotguns. member of the pheasent syndicate that has the rights, part of the membership is rough shooting rights, including pigeons etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 You could ask the security company where they send there invoices to, some one there needs to authorise payment. what do you know about security companies then? I know someone who has a security company and he drives a red BMW... :blink: would you trust him, they are all drug dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 You could ask the security company where they send there invoices to, some one there needs to authorise payment. what do you know about security companies then? I know someone who has a security company and he drives a red BMW... :blink: would you trust him, they are all drug dealers. Hek been sussed, got me thinking now, emm have to do some homework, you sound plymouth ish. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Now here's a question... Is MOD property considered "private property". As far as I'm aware, you will only get charged with "Armed Trespass" if caught with a firearm on "private Property" with out the owner's permission. One way to find out who the owner is though.. define what you mean, are you saying that we as the taxpayers own a percentage of that land because i don't think the mod or police much care about that, tresspass is tresspass, fac is worth to much to risk that :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 That was a guess about the Red BMW, the rest I got from your profile. Seriously though for a moment, I do not think that MOD land is "private". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 That was a guess about the Red BMW, the rest I got from your profile. Seriously though for a moment, I do not think that MOD land is "private". seriously though can you elaborate, what is land owned by the mod then, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 (edited) As far as I know, the MOD is not a privately owned entity. So how can someone from the MOD own the land? The MOD is paid for by the tax payer. That makes it something else. Edited January 14, 2008 by rabid bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 MOD land most certainly IS private and shooting on there without permission will land you in seriously hot water As said, not worth losing your FAC for just to find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 (edited) legal definition of private property: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary....rivate+property Quote "private property n. land not owned by the government or dedicated to public use." and again here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/private quote 4. a. Belonging to a particular person or persons, as opposed to the public or the government: private property. another definition here: http://www.legal-explanations.com/definiti...te-property.htm quote Private Property n.It is a system to allocate the ownership of pieces of land to particular people,who exercise full control on it without the society or the government having any ownership or legal right unlike common property. If I'm right, then MOD land is not private and therefore Armed trespass laws do not apply. Just so everyone understands me, I'm not saying it's ok to break into MOD property. But if the gate is open ... Edited January 15, 2008 by rabid bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Private or not, TRESPASS covers the unathorized entry upon land to which you are not granted access - so unless you have permission to be on MOD land, you are trespassing. if you happen to be armed when trespassing, you become and armed trespasser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Just ask permission, don't just go on there and shoot, whilst armed with a dictionary ready to tell them the meanings of PRIVATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) Dear o dear. I can categorically say that if you don't get permission and start shooting on MOD land you are going to end up in some VERY deep doo doo. rabid bunny - try explaining your theory to a MOD Guard, or even the Provost - let me know how you get on I believe they will throw the 'aggravated trespass' one at you Edited January 16, 2008 by BSA Shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I believe they will throw the 'aggravated trespass' one at you As well as a few round of 5.56mm....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 mod land is owned by the ministry of defence(obvoiusly),there are areas that you can walk on when red flags are not flying and areas such as weapons testing and firing ranges and top secret areas that are permanantly restricted to the general population. if someone where to wander across this land without prior shooting permission then losing their licence should be the last thing on their mind as if nobody knows you where there you could be blown up,shot or seriously injured by unexploded shells that litter some parts of mod ground.my advice is take the neccessary steps to find out where you could shoot,its not common knowledge to the general population but if you apply to the mod for a "potting licence" they will allocate you some ground to shoot on if granted but you will usually be restricted to using only a shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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