davo Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Looking for any consistent/accurate home loads for the .223 using, Varget or vitn 135, and bullets from 53gr up to 75gr...The 2 powders I've mentioned are the ones I've got so, only relevant info using these please, if any body's used them that is..... Any help most appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted February 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 1-8 twist 20" heavy barrel on a T3 Tactical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Nobody reload .223?? or nobody used Varget or Vihtn 135 to reload .223?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I use a 50 grn bullet and Vit N133 podwer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Are you wanting loads suggested in a manual or have you already tried those? I can give you those if you want them? Ill get chrisv to let you in on his secret recipes but they are mainly with 50's and viht 133/benchmark/4198. No, I've got a manual and had a look at the websites, just wondered if anybody had used either Varget or Vihtn 135 to reload .223 with 55gr to 75gr bullets and wanted to pass on their 'pet' load which consistently works for them which would give me a starting point (minus 10% on their load for safety reasons etc) rather than me doing the experimental load development thing starting from the lowest powder grain up to maximum in stages which can waste a lot of powder and ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 no two rifle,s are the same so you will have to start from scratch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGun1 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I use Varget with .223!! 25 grains under a 35 balistic tip for "small ground game" (rabbits!) wihippin off at arround 3200FPS. I know I would be better off with a .17 HMR but this way I can have one rifle that will take long range bunny or fox with a heavy round of course. havent loaded anything heavier as I still have plenty of 55 grain hollow points in the cabinet. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 no two rifle,s are the same so you will have to start from scratch Really helpful that one, cheers, I'm aware that no two rifles shoot the same but, a middle of the road 'load' would be a faster way of incrementing up than starting at the lowest powder figure, you never know somebody might be loading for a 1-8 twist .223 with Varget or Vihtn 135 and already have a consistent load working with the asked for bullet weights, 55gr up to 75gr. I use Varget with .223!! 25 grains under a 35 balistic tip for "small ground game" (rabbits!) wihippin off at arround 3200FPS. I know I would be better off with a .17 HMR but this way I can have one rifle that will take long range bunny or fox with a heavy round of course. havent loaded anything heavier as I still have plenty of 55 grain hollow points in the cabinet. Enjoy! Thanks for that BigGun but the bullet weight is probably to light for a 1-8 twist, don't think it would stabilise ,or it could tear it's self apart mid flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Have a look here. You will have to register, then have a look at the reloading database. Also got a great free ballistic program/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisv Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 See if you can get any help from this site, http://www.accuratereloading.com/223heavy.html I'd be interested how you get on will the full range of the .223 bullet weights. I fancy an 8" twist myself. A lot of the light bullets (e.g. Hornady V Max) say things like "the jacket is built to withstand the faster twist rates of many of today's advanced varmint rifles" so I wouldn't dismiss them completely. Some of the bullets that are very explosive, or designed for the .222 would fail soon after they left your barrel though. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Really helpful that one, cheers, I'm aware that no two rifles shoot the same but, a middle of the road 'load' would be a faster way of incrementing up than starting at the lowest powder figure, you never know somebody might be loading for a 1-8 twist .223 with Varget or Vihtn 135 and already have a consistent load working with the asked for bullet weights, 55gr up to 75gr. Thanks for that BigGun but the bullet weight is probably to light for a 1-8 twist, don't think it would stabilise ,or it could tear it's self apart mid flight Got a couple of loads that will shoot 40 grn ,55 grn and 77 grn through a 1 in 8 twist but not with the powder you discribe . Dont believe all you hear about a 1 in 8 twist ? More helpfull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) no two rifle,s are the same so you will have to start from scratch Sorry about this MM but, COBBLERS, I shoot Target rifle with 7.62mm NATO issue ammo the same as our boys are spraying all over Iraq. There are some serious marksmen and women shooting the same ammo and getting some serious groups. Personall my best group with issue ammo is a 8 shot 3" group at 500 Yards (with open sights). Any factory loaded ammo will shoot straighter than any of us can. Edited February 12, 2008 by martincavie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Any factory loaded ammo will shoot straighter than any of us can. this will be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 no two rifle,s are the same so you will have to start from scratch Sorry about this MM but, COBBLERS, I shoot Target rifle with 7.62mm NATO issue ammo the same as our boys are spraying all over Iraq. There are some serious marksmen and women shooting the same ammo and getting some serious groups. Personall my best group with issue ammo is a 8 shot 3" group at 500 Yards (with open sights). Any factory loaded ammo will shoot straighter than any of us can. Ok i see the rounds you find good will be good in all rifles then Any factory loaded ammo will shoot straighter than any of us can. ******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 At the risk of derailing another argument about to happen I thought our boys were spraying 5.56 all over Iraq/Afganistan - no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 no two rifle,s are the same so you will have to start from scratch Sorry about this MM but, COBBLERS, I shoot Target rifle with 7.62mm NATO issue ammo the same as our boys are spraying all over Iraq. There are some serious marksmen and women shooting the same ammo and getting some serious groups. Personall my best group with issue ammo is a 8 shot 3" group at 500 Yards (with open sights). Any factory loaded ammo will shoot straighter than any of us can. Ok i see the rounds you find good will be good in all rifles then Any factory loaded ammo will shoot straighter than any of us can. ******** ********, never used em but shot some wolfe stuff in 223 that i thought was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 At the risk of derailing another argument about to happen I thought our boys were spraying 5.56 all over Iraq/Afganistan - no? OK point taken but it is still NATO issue, the soldiers don't load their own in the evening before they go out shooting. I stand by the point I made that any factory loaded ammo will shoot better than anyone. Some brands may suit different barrel twists but all will be straight. Eley tenex is supposedly the best ammo for .22 and will always group better in any .22 rifle than anyone can shoot it but then any old cheap rounds will give good groups. I shoot with a guy who will consistently score 99 -100 week in week out with any rounds you give him. I spent a day with Mungler at Bisley recently and with a new rifle and ammo picked off the shelf he was shooting very tight groups at 100yds. You all know the old Adage, "A bad workman always blames his tools" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) 2 pence and 5 pence groups on bullseye and it was my first go at .223 CF. Was a tad chuffed. That being said, clean missed 3 foxes the other night at 300 yards - my problem was completely mis-judging the distance. Well gutted (seriously). My mate the farmer was ******* himself - he bobbled off 4 rabbits on the spin at 140 - 170 yards with his .22 and one was running. Mind you, farmers are born with a rifle in their hands. Having read up on here, I have worked out that the best way to approach any problem like this is to make sure you have the best and cleanest kit you can with the best ammo you can stretch to - anything that then goes wrong is 100% you. Edited February 12, 2008 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 the soldiers don't load their own in the evening before they go out shooting. sure i read somewhere that the snipers develope the ammo for the proper shooting rifles. we dont load 22 rimmie gear but if we could it would shoot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Nah, you're telling me there is more R&D into bullet and ammo development by a man in his shed than say the whole of the Winchester corporation? The right / perfect load for any rifle is commercially available somewhere - just got to try a few out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 2 pence and 5 pence groups on bullseye and it was my first go at .223 CF. good do mung , did you buy loads of it, you should have. make sure you have the best and cleanest kit you can with the best ammo you can stretch to - anything that then goes wrong is 100% you. thats why some people load there own, it cuts out the inconsistencies of factory loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Nah, you're telling me there is more R&D into bullet and ammo development by a man in his shed than say the whole of the Winchester corporation? do you really think what the bods develope the factory turn out. na mate, they have to develope a load that will work in a vast range of rifles. a home loader works on one rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 On the contrary, any idiot with the right kit can hit on target, which is where I believe this thread started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 At the risk of derailing another argument about to happen :o I thought our boys were spraying 5.56 all over Iraq/Afganistan - no? OK point taken but it is still NATO issue, the soldiers don't load their own in the evening before they go out shooting. I stand by the point I made that any factory loaded ammo will shoot better than anyone. Some brands may suit different barrel twists but all will be straight. Eley tenex is supposedly the best ammo for .22 and will always group better in any .22 rifle than anyone can shoot it but then any old cheap rounds will give good groups. I shoot with a guy who will consistently score 99 -100 week in week out with any rounds you give him. I spent a day with Mungler at Bisley recently and with a new rifle and ammo picked off the shelf he was shooting very tight groups at 100yds. You all know the old Adage, "A bad workman always blames his tools" You're actually both correct, in general it's the 5.56 but the GPMG uses 7.62 as do some of the sniper rifles. the soldiers don't load their own in the evening before they go out shooting. sure i read somewhere that the snipers develope the ammo for the proper shooting rifles. we dont load 22 rimmie gear but if we could it would shoot better. Our Snipers are generally issued with 'Green Spot' ammunition which is the first run of ammo through the production line of a new batch which generally assures that the loading process is within the best possible tolerance range for variance, but I think the Snipers if given the choice would like as much input as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I think it is fair to say there is good and bad factory ammo out there, for the ultimate in accuracy you would be looking at a load developed specificaly for that rifle, but for most of us good factory ammo is more than good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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