russ91 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 well said mate :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) Jesus,mary and joseph thats bloody insane. id be surprised if i could see an object at 350 yrads nevermind aim and shoot it square between the eyes.well I suppose thats where having a pair of Leica Geovids and Schmidt and Bender scope comes in then i also wouldnt have dreamt of taking the shot as its far to in-accurate at that distance. what is far too inaccurate, you? your capabilities your rifle and ammunition Kindly dont judge me by your standards Edited February 13, 2008 by fullbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) Fair play dont shoot centrefire so im not going to critise but could you entertain my curiosity of how one would go about taking a 350 yard shot a night with a .223 Range finder used?? (i know silly question but just wondering) Edited February 13, 2008 by Peter_HMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 right sorry but why are you guys always full of fing criticism????:o??? by the way we could see it was a charley it was up a big hill witch meant it was out of the thick fog and we could see it........ Only reason im criticising is because a fox deserves a LOT more respect than to fired at such a distance at night-the smallest miss judgement could have resulted in the foxes jaw being shattered or leg broken,i shoot a good few foxes myself with a .223 and get as close as reasonably possible to ensure a 100% clean kill without causing any suffering to the fox. If fullbore wanted to shoot long range targets he should stick to paper God gave you a pair of legs to walk a bit closer and the fog is not going to be down forever :o ,if the fox runs leave it until another night or scout for the fox during the day or at dusk the fox is not going to disappear off the face of the earth if you dont fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Jesus,mary and joseph thats bloody insane. id be surprised if i could see an object at 350 yrads nevermind aim and shoot it square between the eyes. i also wouldnt have dreamt of taking the shot as its far to in-accurate at that distance. according to your profile you are 18, I would hope you dont take long shots until you have many years of experience and practice under your belt, as said before, I'm 51, been shooting since Noah was a lad and hold level 1 and 2 stalk very regularly. Is the fox dead? yes Is its jaw blown off? no :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 right but as fullbore said he is a experienced deer stalker, put numerous hours in at the range and im positive if he was not happy with his caperbilities and with the shot He would not have pulled the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 you know what I find more than a little strange? On this very forum a rifle shooter is held up as being something special because he holds the world record for shooting at another human at 2430 metres. What if hed have missed? what if he had blown his targets jaw off? He didnt and neither did I, you don't know what training or experience I have so kindly do not judge me by your standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 If fullbore wanted to shoot long range targets he should stick to paper I regularly do, at ranges up to and including 1000 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallopdiver Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Fullbore,i really like your style mate Inevitable slagging off dealt with nicely. I got told off last week for not having a benchrest to take a 90yrd shot which hit the target! :o Dont worry,be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 cheers mate like my mate says, there are deer stalkers and beer talkers, its easy to spout off from your armchair at those of us who are out there doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 cheers mate like my mate says, there are deer stalkers and beer talkers, its easy to spout off from your armchair at those of us who are out there doing it Sure how the **** do we know your not talking ****?If you have the level of experience you say you have and have correctly laser ranged the target and precisely dialed in elevation 350 is nothing to a experienced target shooter.None of this was mentioned in the original post hence the reason i did not agree with a shot like that at night. Out of interest did you range the fox using a range-finder and how far out would you be capable of a shot accurately placed on a foxes head using your vast knowledge and experience with 55gr v-max homeloads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 cheers mate like my mate says, there are deer stalkers and beer talkers, its easy to spout off from your armchair at those of us who are out there doing it Sure how the **** do we know your not talking ****?If you have the level of experience you say you have and have correctly laser ranged the target and precisely dialed in elevation 350 is nothing to a experienced target shooter.None of this was mentioned in the original post hence the reason i did not agree with a shot like that at night. Out of interest did you range the fox using a range-finder and how far out would you be capable of a shot accurately placed on a foxes head using your vast knowledge and experience with 55gr v-max homeloads? why do people need to use lasser range finders now a days wats rong with the basic hunting setup and knolage why are some of u guys obsesed in this tecnolagy that takes half of the skill out of being a good hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) cheers mate like my mate says, there are deer stalkers and beer talkers, its easy to spout off from your armchair at those of us who are out there doing it Sure how the **** do we know your not talking ****? You don't but like I said what cant speak cant lie the fox is dead end of If you have the level of experience you say you have and have correctly laser ranged the target and precisely dialed in elevation 350 is nothing to a experienced target shooter.None of this was mentioned in the original post hence the reason i did not agree with a shot like that at night. Perhaps you have learned a valuable lesson then, dont dive in criticising until you are in possesion of ALL the facts Out of interest did you range the fox using a range-finder Read the other posts to find out that question has already been answered and how far out would you be capable of a shot accurately placed on a foxes head using your vast knowledge and experience with 55gr v-max homeloads? Kindly dont be facetious, suffice to say 350 yards is (obviously) well within my capabilities with the photo proof you have seen Edited February 13, 2008 by fullbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) God your a legend fullbore laser-rangefinder built into your head and all So how do you know it was 350yards if you didn't use a range finder-guesstimation? I hope when I'm 51 i will possess the same powers as you fullbore :o There's not a hope in hell you could judge the distance accurately without a rangefinder the .223 bullet drops like a rock after 200yards From 300 to 350 that 55gr pill drops 7" how can you judge that accurately without a rangefinder. First vastly experienced target shooter i ever heard of that has no need for a rangefinder. End of Edited February 13, 2008 by tikkamark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 i dnt get what the **** you problem is mate you dnt even know the guy so why the **** r u being like that. to be honest there is no need for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 cheers mate like my mate says, there are deer stalkers and beer talkers, its easy to spout off from your armchair at those of us who are out there doing it Out there doing it ,but not at 350 yrds at night . If this was mentioned to you feo do you think he would praise you ? If that shot was taken at 350 then it was a hell of a shot, under the lamp, up hill so you would have to allow for this as well . Take care :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Last weekend was perfect for foxing - not a cloud in sight, every star visible, still air and no rain. The farmer I shoot with knows the dimensions of every one of his fields and quite happily takes foxes at 350 yards and then some. It's a fair right up of a successful night out for an experienced shooter and probably ought to be left there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'm interested to know what 'scope and lamp combination you were using? Personally I use a Lightforce lamp and Swaro 'scope on 10x mag.......and even with the excellent optics of the Swaro, I would not be able to GUARANTEE that a pair of eyes at 350yards was a fox/munty/cat/dog.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 At 350yrds the bullet would have dropped 14" even with a 200yard zero-not a hope in hell would i have taken a headshot at night at that distance far to much risk of blowing the foxes jaw off and leaving the fox to die in agony not my cup of tea at all :o which balistic chart are you gleaning this rubbish from? 223 dropping 14" in 100 yds? makes you wonder why the 223 is the sniper calibre of choice for some agencys if thats the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Jesus,mary and joseph thats bloody insane. id be surprised if i could see an object at 350 yrads nevermind aim and shoot it square between the eyes.well I suppose thats where having a pair of Leica Geovids and Schmidt and Bender scope comes in then i also wouldnt have dreamt of taking the shot as its far to in-accurate at that distance. what is far too inaccurate, you? your capabilities your rifle and ammunition Kindly dont judge me by your standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 please enlighten us white feather as to equipment used, powder,weight, scope, lamp,barrel twist. was it really 35 yds cos your zero buttons stuck down on your computer due to spilt powder trying to cram those extra 65 gns in? :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 God your a legend fullbore laser-rangefinder built into your head and all So how do you know it was 350yards if you didn't use a range finder-guesstimation? insults are so childish but then again you are only young arent you read on and see why you were wrong to insult without all the facts I hope when I'm 51 i will possess the same powers as you fullbore :o There's not a hope in hell you could judge the distance accurately without a rangefinder the .223 bullet drops like a rock after 200yards From 300 to 350 that 55gr pill drops 7" how can you judge that accurately without a rangefinder. Had one did it funny you said it dropped 14" in your previous post, now which is right? First vastly experienced target shooter i ever heard of that has no need for a rangefinder. Again your research seems to be a little flawed, you obviously havent read this thread thouroughly or you would have seen in my reply to Mirokujames the fact that the fox was identified and ranged using Leica geovid 8x56 so pray point out where I said I have no need for a ragefinder well I suppose thats where having a pair of Leica Geovids and Schmidt and Bender scope comes in then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'm interested to know what 'scope and lamp combination you were using? Personally I use a Lightforce lamp and Swaro 'scope on 10x mag.......and even with the excellent optics of the Swaro, I would not be able to GUARANTEE that a pair of eyes at 350yards was a fox/munty/cat/dog.... as said earlier in the thread Lightforce lamp on the pick up working from the truck battery and a Schmidt and Bender 3-12 x50 30mm tube scope fox identified and ranged using Leica geovid 8x56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) Using a Lightforce 170 with very clean red lense and 8x56 S&B making a fox out at 300 yards is really no problem at all - I can vouch for that first hand as of last Saturday night Come on lads - enough with the nit picking already. There's some real arsiness in the air of late and I don't know why. Edited February 13, 2008 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 please enlighten us white feather as to equipment used, white feather??:good:? what do you mean? powder,weight, scope, lamp,barrel twist. please read the earlier posts in this thread then we wont have to keep going over this was it really 35 yds cos your zero buttons stuck down on your computer due to spilt powder trying to cram those extra 65 gns in? :o why is that and why the insult, with a "normal" load the 223 will still have 644 joules of kinetic energy at 400 yards and still be doing 1980 feet per second more than enough for the circumstances the shot was taken in and the quarry it was used on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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