fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Using a Lightforce 170 with very clean red lense and 8x56 S&B making a fox out at 300 yards is really no problem at all - I can vouch for that first hand as of last Saturday night Come on lads - enough with the nit picking already. There's some real arsiness in the air of late and I don't know why. thanks for that and I dont know why the arsiness is here for the record I didnt use a red lens just the lightforce in all its brilliant whiteness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiercel Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 While I know diddly squat about rife shooting, I do know about people. It seems to me that there is the very distinct odour of jealousy in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 "white feather" gunnery sergeant carlos hathcock the most famous sniper during vietnam 93 confirmed kills furthest shot approx 2500 yds. only approx cos he didnt have any leicas!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) "white feather" gunnery sergeant carlos hathcockthe most famous sniper during vietnam 93 confirmed kills furthest shot approx 2500 yds. only approx cos he didnt have any leicas!!! I'm waiting for all the tut tutters on here to decry sergeant Hatchcock for guesstimating his distances then was he insane, foolhardy and the like to be shooting at a human target with the associated risks of injury and maiming, or because he has 93 confirmed kills he's ok. If this was the first time I had shot at a fox, I agree it would have been foolhardy, but I have shot many hundreds in my shooting career so I suppose I am approaching being experienced Edited February 13, 2008 by fullbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 "white feather" gunnery sergeant carlos hathcockthe most famous sniper during vietnam 93 confirmed kills furthest shot approx 2500 yds. only approx cos he didnt have any leicas!!! So now I'm being ridiculed for having good kit! Perhaps you would have preferred if I just went into the field and yelled bang instead of having a rifle! :o I could tear into you for the size of your carbon footprint with your 12mpg jeep but I don't know you so I will refrain from taking the P*** until I do know you better, I would expect the same courtesy in return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) My view on threads like this is that we cannot know the circumstances and therefore shouldn't be so quick to judge others I personally do not have the skill to shoot quarry at that distance but I know others do. It sounds like fullbore is an experienced guy. Knows his gun, his ammo and had ranged the target. I do agree with questions being asked though, self regulation keeps shooters honest. Personally I think we should lay off him before we drive an experienced knowledgeable shooter off the forums and he has answered all questions asked Edited February 13, 2008 by Vegeta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 My view on threads like this is that we cannot know the circumstances and therefore shouldn't be so quick to judge others I personally do not have the skill to shoot quarry at that distance but I know others do. It sounds like fullbore is an experienced guy. Knows his gun, his ammo and had ranged the target. I do agree with questions being asked though, self regulation keeps shooters honest. Personally I think we should lay off him before we drive an experienced knowledgeable shooter off the forums and has answered all questions asked Thank you for the those kind and sage words Vegeta , don't worry about me being driven off, I have thicker skin and broader shoulders than to be phased by some of the remarks and people making them , but thanks anyway, and nice to meet you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnybasher07 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 i am with Vegta. i have never shot quarry at that kind of range but if its a clean and safe kill then its fine by me and good shot GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 At 350yrds the bullet would have dropped 14" even with a 200yard zero-not a hope in hell would i have taken a headshot at night at that distance far to much risk of blowing the foxes jaw off and leaving the fox to die in agony not my cup of tea at all which balistic chart are you gleaning this rubbish from? 223 dropping 14" in 100 yds? makes you wonder why the 223 is the sniper calibre of choice for some agencys if thats the case Last time i checked 200-350=150yrds that drop is from hornadys own balistic chart. Look fullbore im not attacking you personaly i didnt know your levels of skill so i should'nt have been so quick to jump to conclusions i wont in future sorry mate But if that shot was genuinely taken at 350 thats a hell of a shot you could not have judged it any better Do you have any picture's of your rifle setup that you could share? Once again sorry-lads like yourself are good to have on a site like this so we should'nt be nit picking Also good to hear of the .223 being stretched to its full capabilitys just out of interest what was your furtest kill with the setup your using at the moment? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'm 51, been shooting since Noah was a lad and hold level 1 and 2 stalk very regularly. Is the fox dead? yes Is its jaw blown off? no And born on Christmas Day as well ..............You really are Jesus I have trawled through all this thread and can't see a mention of your zero distance .No offence friend but alot of luck played a major part as well . Tikka mark My .223 Lapua brass ,cci primer and 50 grn Hornady .224 Vmax 3425 fps combo drops 14" at 350 yds on a 150 yd zero .....This is the program I use http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/ballistics/traj/traj.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Tikka mark My .223 Lapua brass ,cci primer and 50 grn Hornady .224 Vmax 3425 fps combo drops 14" at 350 yds on a 150 yd zero .....This is the program I use http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/ballistics/traj/traj.html Thanks for that link deadeye Yeah thats the same drop i said in a previous post i have tested it on paper and with the lecia lrf and it is the correct drop nearly exactly-i measured it with tape measure and got 13.5" thats factory hornady ammo i was using 1.4" high at 100 yards.We cant reload here in the republic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberlegs Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 for uck sake guys full bore top shot mate may you keep shooting them at that range,get a guy that puts the time in on the range knows his rifle hones his skill takes a shot he knows he can make and gets ripped apart for it on a shooting forum leave the bull for the antis!! go get them fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidsalmon Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) fantastic shot fullbore sorry about all the assumption based flaming youve been getting because thats all it is, what range were you zeroed at? Edited February 13, 2008 by stupidsalmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 for uck sake guys full bore top shot mate may you keep shooting them at that range,get a guy that puts the time in on the range knows his rifle hones his skill takes a shot he knows he can make and gets ripped apart for it on a shooting forum leave the bull for the antis!! go get them fella If we all agreed on here or any forum then they would soon become boring place's and anti's have their minds made up anyway .I am entitled to my opinion as much as the next man and so what if i don't jump on the hey great shot bandwagon and it's one of the reasons this thread is up to 5 pages and a interesting read it is to Had fullbore with all his experience mentioned his zero ,how many clicks for bullet drop as the cross air was placed between the foxes eye's ,allowance for wind if there was any,homeload combo etc etc then this thread would have only made 1 page at the most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Look fullbore im not attacking you personaly i didnt know your levels of skill so i should'nt have been so quick to jump to conclusions i wont in future sorry mate But if that shot was genuinely taken at 350 thats a hell of a shot you could not have judged it any better Do you have any picture's of your rifle setup that you could share? Once again sorry-lads like yourself are good to have on a site like this so we should'nt be nit picking Also good to hear of the .223 being stretched to its full capabilitys Hi Mark thats very magnanimous of you and apology accepted unreservedly. Sorry if I came across as prickly. As for me stretching the 223 to its full capabilitys, I dont come even close mate. Target shooters and snipers are frightenengly accurate with the 223 out to 1500 metres. Some lads at our club shoot black powder over open sights at 1000 yards in competition, now those men are good And don't get me wrong, I don't make a habit of shooting live quarry at long range, just few and far between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 And don't get me wrong, I don't make a habit of shooting live quarry at long range, just few and far between. Glad thats cleared up fullbore Once you have an intimate knowledge of the bullets trajectory like you have there's nothing wrong with long range shots once the shooter is competent I'm sure there's a lot of idiots with rifles that are far more likely to maim and wound at close range than a chap with a lot of experience on paper and in the field. I wish i had the same skills/experience as yourself but i dont have it just yet so i stick to the 250 mark and under thats what i feel is my limit and i would'nt dare past it Keep at them mate if the rest of your shots are as precise as that we have nothing to worry about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 fantastic shot fullbore sorry about all the assumption based flaming youve been getting because thats all it is, what range were you zeroed at? [ Had fullbore with all his experience mentioned his zero ,how many clicks for bullet drop as the cross air was placed between the foxes eye's ,allowance for wind if there was any,homeload combo etc etc then this thread would have only made 1 page at the most this was my point earlier, i originally posted nice shot and asked the above questions, i am also an experienced rifle shooter,home loader etc both with military/hunting and civilian clubs but am not pig headed enough to admit you can always learn more by other shooters unfortunately fullbore took it comletely the wrong way, incidentally my large carbon foot print jeep does approx 25 miles per week as it is my second vehicle for shooting only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 If we all agreed on here or any forum then they would soon become boring place's and anti's have their minds made up anyway .I am entitled to my opinion as much as the next man and so what if i don't jump on the hey great shot bandwagon and it's one of the reasons this thread is up to 5 pages and a interesting read it is to Had fullbore with all his experience mentioned his zero ,how many clicks for bullet drop as the cross air was placed between the foxes eye's ,allowance for wind if there was any,homeload combo etc etc then this thread would have only made 1 page at the most Very well said deadeye ive i wanted to make that point earlier but didnt know the right way of wording it Your right about the anti's im sure they dont give a **** about a quick humane kill they just think its all killing regardless of where the bullet is placed. Thats what i like about rifles in the right hands they can be clinically precise like the shot this guy has pulled off its not everyone that's capable of such a shot that's why i got a bit jumpy i didn't know much about him but now the facts are known my mind is at ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 well guys i think we sould all just agree to differ it was a good outing any way. russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 PHENOMENAL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgunspud Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Eye Eye nice shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdey03 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Cracking shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdey03 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Cracking shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Jeepers. How'd I miss this then? Lol. That was an entertaining read. Well done FB Each to their own. Any of us shooting know our own limitations. We'll all take shots other people won't, and it's a good point that Vegeta's made that we weren't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 well done FullBore :( Look's like you have the experiance, knowladge, Skill, and equiptment most of us can only dream about. assumptions, judging people, conflict a bit of drama is sadly what some people thrive on Who needs anties when there's pigeon watch anti maffier lerking and willing to pounce well done & keep up the good work kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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