jcbruno Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 hi i recently did a comparrison with a CZ 452 lux and a Anchutz 1416 both with leupold 2-7 power scopes both off the rest at 35m and using a variety of ammo in both, my conclusion is the anchutz is better made and probably will last longer and i am sure in more target oriented guns it would shoot better, but not to say the CZ couldn't bee tuned to achieve even better aswell,and would like to state that anyone out there on a budget can obtain very satisfactory resuls with the CZ and if looked after properly i believe it could perform very well for years. aswell it should be said bothe are using factory triggers and were bought at the same time. some more FYI some walther target rifles use CZ barrels aswell recently in a Canadian national rimfire event in the female class a young lady with a tricked out CZ got first place competing against anchutz,walther,and other high end rimfire rifles and shooters. so this is to silence CZ critics and for the CZ fans out there this just reafirms what you already know CZ for the money is probably the best deal out there some might say this makes it superior as a hunting rifle when given cost cosiderations here are the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted April 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 aswell 3 CZ's in my collection and growing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 i loked at both when i was after a 17hmr. the anschutz does the job straight out of the box. cz needs various kits and tweeks, andstill wont ean ny when finished. its a bit like comparing porche with skoda, if thts what you can a fford, fin it will do the job. years ago i ouldhave bought he cz as a challenge and project, now im notso surs given my recent experience, you never know when your number will be up,so enjoy what you can afford whls you can. anschutz make excelent rifles cz make affordablerflesyou pays your money etc. ebber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted April 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 dont get me wrong m8 the anchutz rifles are very nice and capable, but the above experiment were to rifles out of the box and i found the results to be almolst identical in performance, bothe factory triggers same scope and same mounts and this was the result, when it comes to fit and finish no doubt the anchutz wins there hands down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 How much differance are we talking in the price? I think for the money the CZ is an outstanding piece of kit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 cz is around alf the price of anschutz webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Unless you want a nce fancy gun, for hunting a CZ is all you realy need, they are about as accurate as anything else out there and can be had for about £230 or so. Some need a trigger kit, and some don't, that will add another tenner to the overall price. For target shooting or if you want a gun that you can pass on to your children and their children then go for the Anshutz. Horses for courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted April 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 (edited) i am happy i own both 1 Anchutz 1416 and 2 cz452's and hope to add a weirhauch or sako in 17hmr to the collection at some point, but it's funny we talk about the Anchutz lasting longer but must say the older brno 22lr's can still be found used and make absolutley amazing shooters, a friend of mine has a 1947 dated brno 22lr and can hit a dime at 25 feet standing and from what i am told many do. webber you said it was like comparing a skoda to a porche, i must respectfully disagree i would say more3 like a bmw to a mercaeidies Edited April 14, 2008 by jcbruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 jcb You may have mis understood Porche. made in Germany, high performance, thoroughbred, with price to match.. Skoda. made in Chezk Republic, mass produced, once had a shocking reputation for quality, but nowadays making a quality product, at affordable prices. whats wrong with that. I thought that it was a fair compar ison. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted April 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 sorry m8 skoda isnt to well known over here but i see now what your getting at cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I own both, and the Annie is a much more refined gun. Everything is slick, and the wood is beatiful. Both rifles are very accurate, but the Anschutz just has the edge. I was head-shooting rabbits at 100 yards with the Anschutz last night, and it is almost surgically precise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I'm sided firmly with Webber on this one. Theres nothing wrong with a CZ and they produce a perfectly operational rifle on a budget. But it will need some mods to feel nice. The Anschutz is perfect from the box and has one of the finest triggers i've ever pulled and a very smooth action. In all honesty, I think its pride that fuels the CZ debates anyway. Beside, I bought a Sako instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 If you can find an Anschutz that will do more than the cz will do after being banged about in the back of a land rover then i would agree But at the end of the day its a workhorse not a benchrest rifle dead is dead so what does how smooth the bolt is have to do with anything . ps , have no trouble head shooting rabbits at 100 yrds with a crappy cz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I've never had any problems head-shooting rabbits at 100 yards with my CZ either, Magman, but the Anschutz just does it with more style... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted April 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 (edited) I've never had any problems head-shooting rabbits at 100 yards with my CZ either, Magman, but the Anschutz just does it with more style... thats what i mean lads the anchutz is nice to have but as a sporter its no better then a CZ I know i am young but i have owned alot of guns since the age of 6 and i can honestly say if you want a Anchutz for half the price buy a CZ and if you want a Sako for half the price buy a tikka the big difference is in price and looks, dont get me wrong a real pretty rifle is nice Neil Edited April 14, 2008 by jcbruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasil Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Hi, I own a CZ .22, which I bought new last year. This year I decided to upgrade to an Anschutz. I bought the expensive 1712 model and have had to return it because I could not use it without it jamming constantly. The shells bounced back into the breach when ejecting. I know I am upside downunder here in NZ to you folk but it shouldn't jam for the money. Tried many brands of ammo and changed scope mount positions. I do think the Anschutz was more accurate than the CZ though. I am thinking of trying a Sako. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 This olde chestnut yet again. I have had two cz bolt action rimmys and a cz semi. In the accuracy stakes they were almost as good as the Annie, Krico and Sako rimmys that I have owned. However, it's not what it does, it's how it does it. All guns have 'faults' if you want to be picky - I've said before that the magazine on my Annie hmr was designed by an engineer, and not by a shooter. Better by far is the plastic magazine on the Sako which slickly slides into place with a smooth click - I have done this endlessly when looking out for my next target - not fumbling like when using the Annie (or on a cz that I once had). and I don't rate the safety catch on the cz - far too stiff and 'unnatural' to use when compared to the catches on the Sako and Annie. However, I've never shot an inaccurate cz - some of the triggers have been chuffin' poor, that took a lot of fiddling to get right - unlike the triggers on Sako and Annies. I've had two Ruger 10/20's, and both were appalling for magazine jams - and yes, one was brand new with two new magazines, and the other was a tricked out special with trigger mods and special heavy barrel etc., etc. There are Ruger fans out there, but this now puzzles me - why on earth would you want to buy a gun and then spend just as much again on extras to get it to be a half decent shooter that is not as accurate as a half-decent bolt action. and before the Ruger fans get pen to paper - I cannot understand why you do it, but I am not criticising you why you do - it's just that I cannot understand it, but there has to be room for all. It seems to me that there are lots of people out there who say that all a rifle is meant for is to shoot things dead - accurately. Fine, but don't get on your high horses if other people dare to say that they would like a better trigger/stock/safety catch/nice piece of wood etc. These very same people (cz fans to the death) often spend huge amounts of dosh buying the best car that they can afford when they could have made do with a mini or Lada 4 x 4. If you want to 'make do', then fine, but don't pretend that there are not better pieces of kit out there that do things in the same way, but better. There, that's done it........ Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 There you go, you can rely on Don to say it how he sees it. He obviously has done. Sorry Don, but I discovered that the flak jacket was not flame proof, so I'm now useing my spare! webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 hi Don sorry but if you would like to post a pic of your Anchutz the wood is very plain as they all are , where there seems to be quite a few nice cz about As for the safety catches never use them always prefer to drop the bolt , alot safer in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 hi Donsorry but if you would like to post a pic of your Anchutz the wood is very plain as they all are , where there seems to be quite a few nice cz about As for the safety catches never use them always prefer to drop the bolt , alot safer in my mind Proves my point - the safety on the cz is a poor design. Now if you had a Sako or an Annie you wouldn't mess about with dropping the bolt, you would use the safety, which is far simpler and quicker to use. As for the wood on an Anie - well mine is ok, but it has always puzzled me why you would want 'decent' wood on a rifle anyway - its the design that matters and an Annie thumbhole stock is far, far better than the crude design on a cz. I only wish that Sako made a thumbhole stock and that would make it a better rifle than an Annie. Next.......? Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Don Remember when we were hunting for our annies? The chap at Frank Dykes told me that the thumb hole stocks were British made, and that they fitted the Anschutz actions in the UK. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasil Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Could anyone comment on the accuracy at 25m between CZ, Anschutz and Sako. (I shoot targets indoor at a sports rile club where accuracy is everything). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Proves my point - the safety on the cz is a poor design. Now if you had a Sako or an Annie you wouldn't mess about with dropping the bolt, you would use the safety, which is far simpler and quicker to use. always drop the bolt Don as a safety catch can fail or be taken of by accident , i never trust a safety catch on any gun as they can all fail Ps , can you sell me that nice little hmr now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 ..Yes, this old debate.... I had both rifles in the past, eventually settled on the CZ 452 lux .22lr.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Proves my point - the safety on the cz is a poor design. Now if you had a Sako or an Annie you wouldn't mess about with dropping the bolt, you would use the safety, which is far simpler and quicker to use. always drop the bolt Don as a safety catch can fail or be taken of by accident , i never trust a safety catch on any gun as they can all fail Ps , can you sell me that nice little hmr now Yep, I'm with magman on this one, dropping the bolt is far safer, in my opinion it's dangerous to rely on a safety. PS. I've got an HMR that you can have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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