viking Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 (edited) hi guys, im thinking of applying for a FAC, iv been looking at rifles but cant make heads or tails about all the differant ones and what there all for, iv done a serch and see things like .17 .22 222 232 344 things like that, and then mods,center fire, and rim fire, and all sorts of things, i will only want the one gun and it will be for rabbits, birds, and if poss foxes, i like reading and learning about things so is there a good website or any books or mags i could get to help me learn all i need to know, also anyone wishing to explain all these things would be great, it will give me some understanding to start with, many many thanks, Lee Edited May 19, 2008 by viking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 hi guys, im thinking of applying for a FAC, iv been looking at rifles but cant make heads or tails about all the differant ones and what there all for, iv done a serch and see things like .17 .22 222 232 344 things like that, and then mods,center fire, and rim fire, and all sorts of things, i will only want the one gun and it will be for rabbits, birds, and if poss foxes, i like reading and learning about things so is there a good website or any books or mags i could get to help me learn all i need to know, also anyone wishing to explain all these things would be great, it will give me some understanding to start with, many many thanks, Lee You can't find any info on 232 or 344 rifles? I am surprised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 like i said, i dont really understand it all, and i was generalising with the numbers, so if you have nothing constructive to add then please dont bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steyrman Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 if i were you lee i would go for a 17hmr mate that will take care of rabbit , crow and fox at close range (well under 100yards) imho hope this helps john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 for rabbits birds and foxes out to what distance?........ .22 for birds/rabbits out to 100 yards... foxes... not really unless quite close... (40 yards max) IMO .17 for birds/rabbits out to 150ish yards....prob longer the more experienced you get...people shoot foxes with these as well (but i would say no more than 60 yards IMO) you then go in centerfire calibres...... whole different kettle of fish.....(no you dont shoot fish with them) if you put a moderator on a .22 then its very quiet.... you still need one for a .17 but it wont be as quiet due to the sonic crack of the faster round..... for foxes on a regular basis you really need a centrefire..... ammo for the .22 is still quite cheap at around £30 per brick of 500 ammo for the .17 is around the £22 per 100 mark depending on what you buy...... its really down to you... your choice.....for a first rifle i would stick to rimfire (.22/.17) most police will prob agree with this...... now the next person to answer this will have a whole different range of answers due to their own preferences.... thats what makes shooting so much fun... whatever you decide......have fun.... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 "like i said, i dont really understand it all, and i was generalising with the numbers, so if you have nothing constructive to add then please dont bother." You really expect constructive help? Your last series of posts a month or so ago were; "just had a thought, i would ring him up and tell him if he dosnt give you a full refund you will have a couple of your mates pop up one day for a shoot and **** all his auto traps up and that will cost him alot more than the £100 he is trying to do you out of lee " Then there was the one about "ripping someones head off" and your other one "I have a Beretta, how do I get a SGC" I believe the theme was, the consensus of the forum members then was that you were not fit to hold a SGC, and you now expect assistance with a FAC? Yeah, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjdwillis Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 (edited) i suggest you find someone who can teach you to shoot a rimfire safely, and then get a .22lr or a .17HMR. i doubt you would be able to get a canterfire straight away. You will need a good bit of land to shoot on aswell or you wont be allowed it. Edited May 19, 2008 by tjdwillis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingman Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 "like i said, i dont really understand it all, and i was generalising with the numbers, so if you have nothing constructive to add then please dont bother." You really expect constructive help? Your last series of posts a month or so ago were; "just had a thought, i would ring him up and tell him if he dosnt give you a full refund you will have a couple of your mates pop up one day for a shoot and **** all his auto traps up and that will cost him alot more than the £100 he is trying to do you out of lee " Then there was the one about "ripping someones head off" and your other one "I have a Beretta, how do I get a SGC" I believe the theme was, the consensus of the forum members then was that you were not fit to hold a SGC, and you now expect assistance with a FAC? Yeah, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 thanks for the replys guys, very helpfull, keep em coming, bob, like i said constructive or not at all thanks, every one else can manage it, if you really have nothing better to do with your time than try wind people up then its a poor do. you are most welcome to your opinion but maybe not every one wants to listen to your rants, best wishes to you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Viking . Your comments about Bob300w could not be more wrong . I am not sticking up for bob as i am sure he can look after himself . Bob in my opinion is one of the most constructive and knowledge posters on the forum and you would do well to take his advice if and when you can . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 i fully agree with you there mate, i have read some great and helpfull post from him, but his reply in this case was not helpfull or realy about what i asked, i dont see why people would waste there time posting posts that dont help, or dont realy have anything to do with the post, i would rather heve his knowlage to help me but sometimes a few people would rather give strange coments than helpfull ones, he made it sound like i was asking him to grant me the fac, if he didnt want to help then there was no real need to add a coment, regards, Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 (edited) Ask for a .17hmr. That will do all you ask for. I would suggest a .22 hornet and reloading to some, but not for you. I'm not meaning to sound rude, but you seem to read up very little on what you want and just ask here. The HMR has off the shelf ammo you can rely on. I worry that you may hurt yourself through lack of research if you started reloading. If I could give you one tip it would be to source more information from the net in general. Read up on the subject and make your own decisions. By the time I got my FAC granted I had a basic knowledge of ballistics for .22lr, .17hmr and 6.5x55. I knew bullet weights, powder loads and muzzle energies. Also a clear picture of humane ranges on expected quarry with each calibre. If you ask for something without having the first idea of its capabilities you're unlikely to get anything. Firearms require a lot more effort to get than shotguns Edited May 19, 2008 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 thanks nic, i fully understand what your saying, i do plan on doing reserch before i think about aplpying for a fac, like i originaly said i do enjoy reading and learning about things, im curently looking for books or mags where i can learn all i need to, sometimes i do internet serches and just seem to end up getting info on stuff im not after, if you know what i mean, but cheers for your reply, and i would rather have the off the shelf ammo as you suggest, and i dont want to get to technical with the rifles, just one genral one will do, as you suggets the .17 sounds the best bet, kind regards, Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 (edited) . Edited March 10, 2009 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 i know what your saying mate and i do understand, and i dont mind it being mentioned, but there are a few on hear who take it to far and try for a wind up, when really if they feel so strong about old posts then its probably best not saying anything, i can understand peoples feelings but if it was me i would just think to myself, im not helping that tool, and i wouldnt post anything, but thats just me, there is no way i want to fall out with any one one hear as its one hell of a place for great advise, and if it helps i can only once again say sorry for some of my old posts, i let people wind me up when i shouldnt of done, and as you say there are a certain few who always come through with some great replys and great help and i know bob is one of them, cheers for replying mate, Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 thanks nic, i fully understand what your saying, i do plan on doing reserch before i think about aplpying for a fac, like i originaly said i do enjoy reading and learning about things, im curently looking for books or mags where i can learn all i need to, sometimes i do internet serches and just seem to end up getting info on stuff im not after, if you know what i mean, but cheers for your reply, and i would rather have the off the shelf ammo as you suggest, and i dont want to get to technical with the rifles, just one genral one will do, as you suggets the .17 sounds the best bet, kind regards, Lee now im no expert, but thats a bit general, dont you think. you are dealing with dangerous stuff here mate, i think you should be getting technical and learning everything you can before you buy. owning a rifle is much like making love to a beutifull woman. first you have to know the size of your barrel. then when you put your load in the chamber, you need to know its going to penetrate.... seriously though, im doing a fair bit of reading on this as i want to apply for my FAC NEXT summer, and being broad aint the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 i kind of ment messing about with ammo, like your referance to the fast show though, regards. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 (edited) I have a guide to sporting rifles that may be off interest, it is a Pdf file that I can send to you via a link as I can post it here on the forum as it is a link to another shooting forum. Jerry Edited May 20, 2008 by sandersj89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 if you would please Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirky Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Lee, unless you can find someone to take you under his/her wing and explain how dangerous guns are and what the laws are, then perhaps you should take up golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 You havent seen me playing golf The safest place is the middle of the fairway......Anywhere in the rough either side and you are taking your life in your hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 stirky, i dont recall making any comment where you could work out that i dont think guns are dangerous, in my original post i said i was thinking about applying for one, and that i was after info, books, websites where i could learn all about them, i know the dangers of guns mate, and i fully intend doing my home work on the rifles before i even concider applying for one, jerry, that would be great mate if you could send me the link, kind regards, Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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