shoot57 Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 ive not started reloading yet [still waiting for eqpt to arrive] so what i am doing is reading a lot and it seems that as i am going to use cases once fired in my own gun i just need to neck size my brass, so my question is... does the lee neck sizing die still push out the old primer like the full case sizer does or do i need another piece of eqpt?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 does the lee neck sizing die still push out the old primer like the full case sizer does yes it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Can you not back off the locking nut a touch and resize the neck only ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v-max Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 If you have bought the Lee deluxe die set it has the neck sizing collet die which will push out primmer & neck size in the same stroke & no lube required. The set comes with a full length sizer & a bullet seating die. The full length needs lube & is recomended for hunting bullets to save on a stuck case in the field as can happen with neck sizing as its more for bench rest/target shooting & accuracy. I neck size & had no bother yet with stickie cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot57 Posted May 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 i have bought a set of dies they came in a red container there are three in the container.. full length sizer.. seater and factory crimper but no neck sizer my cal is 223 and i only use it for fox i dont do any range shooting. i suppose i can buy a neck seater separately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 or you can just full length resize and not worry about it. Or you can back the full length sizer out a little and only size most of the neck. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot57 Posted May 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 as i say ive just been reading about the subject at the moment and maybe you cannot always believe all you read but it seems that if i use cases that i have already fired in my gun i just neck size for better accuracy and also theres no need to use case lube. if i can ask some of you more experanced loaders anouther question, i want to reload my favorite factory round hornaday 40 gr v-max would you advise putting a crimp on the brass or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 NO, for God's sake don't crimp! There's no cannelure on the bullet, so what were you planning to crimp into? Crimping is totally unnecessary unless you plan on using your loads in an automatic weapon! I'd full length size if I were you, I can't get consistent neck tension with Lee collet dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot57 Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 thanks Sako7mm for the advice, pity i didn't log on last night ive purchased a collet neck sizer this afternoon £15, well i suppose i can try it and see how i get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) NO, for God's sake don't crimp! There's no cannelure on the bullet, so what were you planning to crimp into?Crimping is totally unnecessary unless you plan on using your loads in an automatic weapon! I'd full length size if I were you, I can't get consistent neck tension with Lee collet dies. Try removing the de-capping pin, mount it in an electric drill and polish a couple of thou off of the diameter with emery paper, works wonders for neck tension. I find these dies load the most accurate ammunition of any, and I've tried them all! Edit; In case I was not clear there, remove the metal from the large diameter, where the collet clamps onto the neck, i.e. take 308 down to 306 dia. Edited May 30, 2008 by bob300w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Bob, thanks for the advice, but I no longer have any Lee collet dies. And won't be having any more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Bob, thanks for the advice, but I no longer have any Lee collet dies. And won't be having any more! I am surprised, I have found nothing to touch them. But you are correct about the neck tension, they do need tweaking to get the best from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) NO, for God's sake don't crimp! There's no cannelure on the bullet, so what were you planning to crimp into?Crimping is totally unnecessary unless you plan on using your loads in an automatic weapon! I'd full length size if I were you, I can't get consistent neck tension with Lee collet dies. Sako 7mm . I have always crimped rifle bullets and you dont need a cannelure to crimp into . Crimping will give you more consistant neck tension than not crimping . The lee company will tell you that most long range rifle records have been achieved by crimping with a lee factory crimping die . Harnser . Edited May 31, 2008 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 you dont need a cannelure to crimp into correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 NO, for God's sake don't crimp! There's no cannelure on the bullet, so what were you planning to crimp into?Crimping is totally unnecessary unless you plan on using your loads in an automatic weapon! I'd full length size if I were you, I can't get consistent neck tension with Lee collet dies. Sako 7mm . I have always crimped rifle bullets and you dont need a cannelure to crimp into . Crimping will give you more consistant neck tension than not crimping . The lee company will tell you that most long range rifle records have been achieved by crimping with a lee factory crimping die . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot57 Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 as i say i am just starting reloading and i have been reading the lee reloading second edition, in it the author talks about crimping for accuracy but am i rite in my readings that you don't necessarily have to put a full crimp on and if i am not to sure then this might be the safest bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 as i say i am just starting reloading and i have been reading the lee reloading second edition, in it the author talks about crimping for accuracy but am i rite in my readings that you don't necessarily have to put a full crimp on and if i am not to sure then this might be the safest bet. Yes you are correct, you don't HAVE to put any crimp on rifle ammunition at all, try loading some with and some without a crimp and see which are the most accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 as i say i am just starting reloading and i have been reading the lee reloading second edition, in it the author talks about crimping for accuracy but am i rite in my readings that you don't necessarily have to put a full crimp on and if i am not to sure then this might be the safest bet. Shoot57 , Bob is right in saying that you dont have to crimp rifle bullets . I have always crimped ,the reason being that neck tension is one of the biggest variables in home loading and is easy to get over by simply putting a light crimp on the bullet . Over the years i have found that crimped bullets are much more accurate . As bob said try some and some and make your choise . Best of luck ,Harnser . Beware it will become all consuming . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot57 Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 thanks for all the advice..........by the way HARNSER as to your last paragraph yes other people have warned me, some have even advised me not to start at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Harnser, thanks for the advice. However, I don't care what the Lee company say about the issue of crimping. I've been reloading for over 20 years, and my current pair of 17 Rem Sakos are both shooting sub 1/2", my 243's are shooting sub MOA, my 20-250 wildcat is shooting in the .3's, my 25-06 is a 1/2" rifle... shall I go on? I don't crimp and get excellent results from my reloads without crimping. If you're having neck-tension problems which only crimping can overcome, then you need new brass or to adjust your dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Harnser,thanks for the advice. However, I don't care what the Lee company say about the issue of crimping. I've been reloading for over 20 years, and my current pair of 17 Rem Sakos are both shooting sub 1/2", my 243's are shooting sub MOA, my 20-250 wildcat is shooting in the .3's, my 25-06 is a 1/2" rifle... shall I go on? I don't crimp and get excellent results from my reloads without crimping. If you're having neck-tension problems which only crimping can overcome, then you need new brass or to adjust your dies. totally agree with the above, one more point always check fired cases for overall length before reloading. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Harnser,thanks for the advice. However, I don't care what the Lee company say about the issue of crimping. I've been reloading for over 20 years, and my current pair of 17 Rem Sakos are both shooting sub 1/2", my 243's are shooting sub MOA, my 20-250 wildcat is shooting in the .3's, my 25-06 is a 1/2" rifle... shall I go on? I don't crimp and get excellent results from my reloads without crimping. If you're having neck-tension problems which only crimping can overcome, then you need new brass or to adjust your dies. Sako 7mm , You are obviously a man who has spent a lot of time and effort loading . I to have spent many years and lots of time experimenting with loads . I have all ways found that crimping gave me more accurate rounds than not crimping ,thats how i find it . We have both got close to the holy grail of shooting ,(sub m.o.a. groups ) but down slightly different roads i dont think it really matters crimp or no crimp . I also think that if we clamped our rifles in a vice and shot a group we would be surprised how accurate our ammo and rifles are without our human intervention . Best wishes . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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