Mungler Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 As it says on the tin. Gas powered (propane and oxygen) rodenator for blowing up rat holes - are they legal in the UK? Cheers all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2shots Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 As it says on the tin. Gas powered (propane and oxygen) rodenator for blowing up rat holes - are they legal in the UK? Cheers all. it now seems only if the holes are empty of animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 The was a considerable debate on this subject some time ago. I think that the outcome was not really. It would be worth doing a search. webber ps Being blown into christendom is not pleasant. I should know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 This thread covered most of the issues. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...mp;hl=rodenator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Just been reading about them in the shooting times, not sure about them personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Okay I was only testing you all We used one today on some rat holes and I have the videos Obviously to keep the HSE brigade happy we checked that the rat holes were empty before application B) I know people poo poo them, but on our shoot under every feeder is at least 4 rat holes. With the price of grain what it is, ratty's days are numbered. Poison has an effect over time with lots of aggravation and danger. However, the rodenator is the man's way of dealing with rats "immediately" :( I have not heard a "bang" as loud as the gas ignition. The mic on my phone does not cover "sub base" or the shock wave that followed - pretty flippin amazing. In one of the clips you can hear stones and lumps of dirt hitting the bonnet of my car 50 yards away. Joking aside, I appreciate the wallop that Mr. Webber must have sustained. Webber, if you have kept your hearing it is a minor miracle. Now then, how do I get this phone vids up - any volunteers who I can SMS them to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Hell, I think that as close as you can ever get to a sign of compassion from a solicitor! Mungler, you will be interested to learn that my hearing was already diminished some what as I had worked at the hot end of a glass works for several years. However, Mrs. webber has now insisted that I obtain hearing aids, as the telly volume is approaching max. Yes the blast has seriously affected my hearing, apparently, the forensics reckon that I was only 1 metre from the centre of combustion. The roofs on some of our neighbours buildings had so be structurally surveyed, as the blast lifted them. Our building is to be demolished. I have a busy day tomorrow. District nurse; company solicitor (compy claim + other matters); hair dresser, time to have the new look locks cropped. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Yep, we were effecting controlled explosions in small spaces (rat holes) with limited amount of propayne and oxygen. The results were amazing and the shock wave a proper wallop. Difficult to describe. Now for the vids (the sound doesn't do it justice as my phone doesn't record "sub base") Any volunteers (who I know and who aren't mental) who I can text the vid to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Mungler I'm just interested, did you hire it, buy it, have a demo or what. I only ask as they are quite costly bits of kit! webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy30 Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 ngo summer 2008 magazine page 40 has a full write up about illegal use while animals are still in burrows and defra states no licences have been issued for there use to date :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Cheers for that Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Cheers for that Kenny 'Fire in the hole' so to speak. I am party to ownership of the above said device. Like taking out bunkers on Normandy bridgehead. Got to be a little careful with the finger on the gas as a little too much of the exitement can lead you to forget.... With drastic consequences..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 One of our local farmers has one ( a group of ‘em got together and purchased one) and invited a few of us to a demo a few weeks back. IMO they’re not worth the money or the trouble. A typical piece of American overkill (which doesn’t work)! Firstly to comply with the regulations you must clear all the burrows of animals before you set the thing off (otherwise your committing an offence). The 1981 Wildlife & Countryside Act states that killing any animal with explosives (other than firearms) is an offence carrying a max fine of £5000 or 6 months in prison. Not mentioned is the fact you’d loose your SGC/FAC. You pump this mix of oxygen/propane into the burrows, recommended time is about 60 seconds (I think) but farmer gave most about 90. Then headphones on (you need ‘em) pull the trigger and KABOOM! Did the earth move for you? If using on mole runs you get a series of mole hills across a lawn exploding in succession which is quite spectacular. It’s supposed to collapse the burrows but quite frankly unless you’re working in sand that’s not gonna happen. We tried it on a hedgerow where the bank is full of roots and apart from a lot of noise and flying debris the burrows only collapsed at the entrance ways. General opinion was that it’s a damned expensive, unwieldy, not particularily effective way of getting rid of pests. You can’t (legally) kill animals with them so in the case of rabbits they’re likely to return to the burrows next day even if you have collapsed them. They did in our tests. Besides it’s a whole lot more fun (sorry I mean effective) using traditional methods. Probably a more useful tool if you have troublesome neighbours! I wonder how long it’ll be before some ****hole is stoopid enough? There’s an interesting write up on them in the May issue of ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Defra has issued a statement that is quite clear, the Rodenator is perfectly legal to use for collapsing rabbit burrows. It is not legal to use for killing animals without a licence. http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countrysi...f/rodenator.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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