Harnser Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Just had my first experiance with a moderated .223 and .243 rifle . Took them down on the farm with a friend of mine to zero them in . I was expecting them to be reasonably quiet ,but to my surprise they didnt sound much different to an un moderated rifle . Whats it all about are they just a fad (look at my rifle i have got a toilet roll on the end ) or do they serve a purpose . I have a moderated .22 rim fire and with the right ammo is very quiet ,but with other ammo the moderator hardly works . Do you use special ammo through a moderated rifle or do you use standard cartridges . When shooting deer its the first shot that counts and no matter how loud it sounds it dosent matter as the beast is dead before it hears the bang . Just curious . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpitup Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 If your using subsonic ammo in your .22 then you wont hear much but as centrefire ammo is supersonic you will always here a crack. I guess some mods are better than others at reducing the noise but its always gonna be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 The mods on my .223 and .243 just mean that I can shoot them without ear defenders on and without upsetting the locals to my shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I have one on my .22 rimfire and only ever use subs and would never bother shooting it without. I own one for my .223 and use it if I need to, but take it off and use a muzzle brake when I don't I have a 6.5 which isn't threaded for a mod and probably never will be. So for me, in some situations they have a use, but I am not a fan of using them just for the sake of it. They have pro's and con's on centrefires and for me at least, the con's normally outweigh the pro's. They have become (IMHO) an obsession in this country, we have escaped it so far, but some shooting forums rarely discuss much else. . . I would like to predict this thread will go 5 pages at least - lets see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 what size mod are you using ? - if you have a 30 cal and not a 25 cal, then that will make them a lot louder They help with accuracy ( normally reducing group sizes), they reduce muzzel flip (they help you see the shot), etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 An other question ,how much do they cost including barrel threading . Just curious . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 All depends if you want new or second hand - steel, stainless steel, alloy, etc = £75 - £500 and beyond screwcut any thing from = £40 (unproofed)- £120-£150 ( reproofed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisv Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Yes, rifles with supersonic ammo and a mod are still loud, the difference is that there is no boom from the gun. I find that the crack doesn't seem to travel like the noise from an unmoderated rifle, so there is much less intrusive noise to carry to the surrounding area. They are a pain sometimes are certainly make the gun annoying to carry, but they do have their good points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Just had my first experiance with a moderated .223 and .243 rifle . Took them down on the farm with a friend of mine to zero them in . I was expecting them to be reasonably quiet ,but to my surprise they didnt sound much different to an un moderated rifle . Whats it all about are they just a fad (look at my rifle i have got a toilet roll on the end ) or do they serve a purpose . I have a moderated .22 rim fire and with the right ammo is very quiet ,but with other ammo the moderator hardly works . Do you use special ammo through a moderated rifle or do you use standard cartridges . When shooting deer its the first shot that counts and no matter how loud it sounds it dosent matter as the beast is dead before it hears the bang . Just curious . Harnser . Have you ever stood next to a .223 or .243 unmoded as i think there is one hell of a difference . Could be a **** mod ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) the difference is that there is no boom from the gun. I find that the crack doesn't seem to travel like the noise from an unmoderated rifle, so there is much less intrusive noise to carry to the surrounding area. From behind the rifle they are quieter,but away from it and especially in front,they are still loud. Some on here will testify to that when scoring on ranges. Also noticed myself with the noise being less the closer i was to the rifle being shot (talking a few hundred metres here) That said,both of my C/F rifles are moderated,and i much prefer it that way,mainly for noise reduction for me,and reduced muzzle flip Just editing to say,that in my experience,the noise reduction was about 2/3rds with the mod> Edited August 29, 2008 by grasshopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Just try shooting a fox from a farmyard at 2 in the morning and you will realise why a mod is needed. Also, as someone said - if you think that you are getting used to a loud noise, then this means that you are going deaf! Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeylove Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Sticking a T8 on my .223 made a huge difference in noise reduction but I prefer the looks of it unmodded. It cost about £200 for the screwthreading, mod and reproofing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 No body yet has given me a good enough reason to spend between £500 and a £1000 to moderate my .308 . What with another £1000 plus for a super duper scope that no body can do without . Makes my £350 rifle (second hand ) and £200 scope look like a bit of old shed toot . Oh , by the way i do manage to shoot deer with them . Oh ,and something else ,i carnt remember the last time i missed one . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Christ don't get started on scopes we will be here for the rest of the month not just the night I will stick my neck out and say you don't need one for deer stalking, although as has been said for foxing in the middle of night you can see they are handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Christ don't get started on scopes we will be here for the rest of the month not just the night I will stick my neck out and say you don't need one for deer stalking, although as has been said for foxing in the middle of night you can see they are handy. My old mentor of many years ago never had a scope on his rifle . He was the best stalker i have ever seen and allways stalked his deer within 100 yards . He was also a succesful big game hunter and shot most of africas big game ,without a scope . The best scope that i ever used was on a friends rifle . It had no magnification at all and had a massive 60 mill lense on the front and the best double duplex cross hairs i have ever seen . No shake whatsoever and the best low light scope i have ever looked through . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Sorry I meant to say 'you don't need a mod for stalking' but as you say the best stalkers get up so close they don't need a scope or a high mag one anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 No body yet has given me a good enough reason to spend between £500 and a £1000 to moderate my .308 Yes they have. Your hearing. If you're finding that centrefire rifles aren't loud you really do need to get it checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 No body yet has given me a good enough reason to spend between £500 and a £1000 to moderate my .308 Yes they have. Your hearing. If you're finding that centrefire rifles aren't loud you really do need to get it checked. To late ,after 50 years of shooting and abusing my hearing by not wearing ear defenders ,a bit of deafness can come in handy , as they say theres non so deaf as those who dont want to hear . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 There's more to hearing damage than simple deafness Lovely conditions such as Tinitus can come on after one loud nosie or as a member on here found an ear infection It's more of a general point I was making to them new to shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Reduction of felt recoil Reduction of Muzzle Flip Noise reduction health & Safety in the field Hearing protection want any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Have you ever stood next to a .223 or .243 unmoded as i think there is one hell of a difference . Me too! Without the mod the bang is literally deafening, ears ringing, boom feels like a whack in the chest and in the dead of night a rumbling echo travelling around the whole area! With mod the bang is more like a puh-tssshhhhh kind of sound... yes its still a bang but it's so much less dramatic and no booming echo rolling around like thunder, just a whipcrack echo off nearby trees at worst. No ringing ears, recoil reduced, muzzle flip reduced, much easier to keep your sight picture throughout to see reaction to shot etc... (.243 + Wildcat Predator8 with .243 baffles) No body yet has given me a good enough reason to spend between £500 and a £1000 to moderate my .308 These figures seem a bit steep? Granted I didn't bother getting mine re-proofed, but £215 for the mod, plus £90 for threading, machining the delrin bush on the mod and making a thread protector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 £70 to get cut and screwed. £210 for a T8. That's less than £300 where I come from. If you're being quoted the figures you mention you're getting ripped off matey. You'll never get rid of the supersonic crack but that's well away from the muzzle. You stand a reasonable distance away from the rifle and all you'll hear is a crack but you won't know which direction its come from. there is no BANG like with an unmoderated rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 There's more to hearing damage than simple deafness Lovely conditions such as Tinitus can come on after one loud nosie or as a member on here found an ear infection It's more of a general point I was making to them new to shooting I totally agree with Johns comments, after years of shooting without protecting my hearing I suffer from Tinitus and cannot stress the importance of using protection to anyone new to shooting, you may feel awkward wearing muffs in the company of old time shooters but believe me you dont want your ears ringing and humming when your trying to sleep at night!! Wearing ear protection is now the accepted thing but even up to just a few years ago everyone was trying to be discreet, using little bits of foam plugs etc nowadays the norm is multicoloured electronic defenders, money very well spent imo. D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Reduction of felt recoil Reduction of Muzzle Flip Noise reduction health & Safety in the field Hearing protection want any more? Yes please . Reduction of felt recoil , recoil not a prblem to me . Reduction of muzzle flip , For what reason , every time i shoot a deer my head is up away from the scope and rifle straight away looking for it ,not through the limited field of vision of a scope . Noise reduction , I really dont think that there is that much reduction in the noise level . Health and safty in the field , not to sure what you mean about this one ? . Hearing protection , There are many less expensive means of hearing protection . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) Hanser - why did you bother asking the questions, as it is obvous that you've no intention of getting one. People have given you multiple reasons why they own one and you just seem hell bent on shooting them down in flames Also where the hell did you get your figures from for buying a mod and getting a screwcut £150 screwcut (Most expensive) and £500 Sound mod (most expensive)=£650 Edited August 30, 2008 by tulkyuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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