reedbradshaw Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 im thinking and i do mean thinking about putting in for my FAC. Ive had my SGC now for about 4 months and really enjoy decoying pigeons & rabbiting with it. However, i wouldnt mind sorting my self out with a .22 RF ( .17hmr wont pass on my permission ) for night time lamping of bunnys. But i was thinking, if i was to put in for a FAC i may as well try and have a pop at a FAC shotgun. Ive done searches and have seen at least 3 different types. Section 1 Section 2 Section 5 whats the conditions of the above sections, and can you get section 3 & 4 ps i .22 RF has been allready passed on my permission. Reed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 No idea mate about the different sections but I just put down a FAC shotty when I was getting a variation and said it would have 5 shots, just because that’s how many the gun I wanted to buy could hold. And the FAC just came back with the shotty on it, didn’t even mention how many cartridges it had to be restricted too. Not sure if this is normal? not sure if it mentioned the section either but 5 seems to ring a bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 A shotgun on a regular shotgun cert is section 2 & must not be capable of holding more than three rounds. A section 1 FAC shotgun may hold as many rounds as you like, extension tubes can be purchased to increase the capacity & simply screw onto the existing magazine to give you the number of rounds you desire. PSG guns in the UK typicaly hold 9 in standard division & up to 14 in modified. A Shotgun is only section 5 if it is shorter than 40" in overall length or has a barrel shorter than 24" in the UK. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Just apply for fac shotgun, do not put any ammount of shots down, otherwise you will be limited to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Why do you want a FAC shotgun ??:lol:?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Why do you want a FAC shotgun ??:lol:?? Many old & traditional game or clay shooters strugle to except any other form of shotgun shooting, practical shotgun under UKPSA rules is a perfectly safe & fun sport, & good reason to hold an FAC shotgun. I have suspected for some time that the traditional shooting sport recognise that it is actually much more fun than what they can offer to new shooters & so try to put it down because they see it as a threat. new shooters in my experiance do enjoy it more. (those that have tried it) Other good reason is vermin control however I see this as a less than convincing argument for a sec 1 shotgun but if the law allows it then good luck to you. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 And why is it a less convincing argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Reed, I'm curious about the 17HMR not passing on your permission. It's a smaller caliber than .22 so certainly should be passed for it already. And most firearms dept's consider a safer alternative. I'd check that before you rule out a rifle mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Like Neil said, a Section 2 shotgun is either a two barrelled side by side, over & under or a semi-auto that has a mag that can hold a max of 2 cartridges (plus on in the chamber). Section 1 Shotguns are the high capacity semis (more than 2 in the mag) OR a two barrelled shotgun with dimensions smaller than 40" in total length and/or a barrel 24" BUT not smaller than 60cm in total and barrels not shorter than 30cm. Confused? Welcome to UK firearms legislation! lol! Section 5 is a general term for any firearms that are prohibited. A shotgun would need to either be smaller than the above dimensions or be full-auto to qualify in this bracket. Incidentally the 'Section' a gun falls into is in reference to the section the particular gun is described in, in the 1968 Firearms Act and subsequent amendments. I got my Section 1 shotgun on the back of pigeon shooting but i've not actually used it for that yet. I have however taken up PSG since then and got my ticket varied to do this. I concede that the majority of pest shooting CAN be adequatley done with a Section 2 shotgun, however i have had experiences where a four or even 5 shot would've been handy. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 And why is it a less convincing argument? Quite agree, i have kept stum while he has rollocked people about their views on his form of shooting and types of guns used , pot and kettle, vermin control is to protect crops, when you are dealing with large numbers of them on big arable farms, those extra shots do really do count, i know because thats what i have my sec1 gun for. But if you think "practical timed carboard shooting" is a better reason, we will have to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN88 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 mate you,ve started something last week i said i want,d a FAC shotgun and i was called armchair commando, nutter,this type of firearms attract a certain type of person ie hooligan ,thug, thats what most people think i,m because i show an interest in these firearms wanting one is not good enough for some people it seems but i want one for crow bashing( and standing infront of the mirror all camo,d up) yes that was said to me they want to get off there soap boxes before they say there intitled to there opinons yes it surposed to be a free country and thats why i,m applying for one might even post some picks of me camo,d up drapped in shells (lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scout Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 FYI I recently had a chat with my FEO in Devon about Section 1 Shot guns, she informed mt the only legitimate use currently covered by Home Office regulations is the control of "aerial vermin". Not sure if that is 100% accurate, but it's certainly the only reason she said I'd get one in Devon. Didn't go for it as it was just a conversation to pass time, but may help if you decide to go for one. cheers Scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Let me guess Scout, your Firearms Dept has been 'civilianised'? Mine has recently and unfortunately the people who they've replaced the Police officers with haven't got a clue what they're talking about. In fact any applications for the post that have any kind of reference to having an interest in firearms are immediately scrapped! What she has told you is complete twaddle, she's obviously not read her HO Firearms Law Guidance to the police 2002. Section 1 shotguns are just as effective on ground pests if not more, than avian pests and what about all the PSG people?? What is she getting her £15k for?! lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 (edited) last week i said i want,d a FAC shotgun and i was called armchair commando, nutter,this type of firearms attract a certain type of person ie hooligan ,thug, thats what most people think (lol) Ian I did not say all of the quotes you mention, & I was not directing my comments directly at you, I was simply saying why SOME people show an interest in the Saiga 12, it is also true it is not the best gun for the job you had in mind for it. Also to clear up the vermin control comments I do just fine with an old three shot auto on pigeons but if you need to miss more times & the law allows you a high capacity gun for pest control then great, perhaps you missed the part in my post where I said " IF THE LAW ALLOWS IT THEN GOOD LUCK TO YOU" Scout your FEO is badly misinformed, Practical Shooting is the easiest route to a section 1 shotgun, they were later allowed for control of vermin species by many police forces, some like Mersyside are still very reluctant to give them out for vermin. Guys this is not a competition here, we are all shooters, I shoot many different disciplines but SOME people only ever see what they do as a valid shooting sport. please open your minds and try something new every now and then, you might find something else you like. just an idea. N Edited October 22, 2008 by neil smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 You definitely would not get support from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 You definitely would not get support from me. Hotshot If, as you say I rollocked others it was no such thing, I have simply tried to enlighten some of the more prejudiced members on here that there are other forms of shooting that should be given a chance to prove there worth. I except it may not be of any interest to the hardcore sbs & o/u country types on here & that is fine, however you do not find me running down your kind of shooting & I expct the same courtesy. When people attack my sport I have attempted to provide the correct information where I can, when others have given inaccurate or a blatantly false statements I have been polite but firm in my responses. It is your right to support whatever shooting you choose fit, I will do likewise. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN88 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 last week i said i want,d a FAC shotgun and i was called armchair commando, nutter,this type of firearms attract a certain type of person ie hooligan ,thug, thats what most people think (lol) Ian I did not say all of the quotes you mention, & I was not directing my comments directly at you, I was simply saying why SOME people show an interest in the Saiga 12, it is also true it is not the best gun for the job you had in mind for it. Also to clear up the vermin control comments I do just fine with an old three shot auto on pigeons but if you need to miss more times & the law allows you a high capacity gun for pest control then great, perhaps you missed the part in my post where I said " IF THE LAW ALLOWS IT THEN GOOD LUCK TO YOU" Scout your FEO is badly misinformed, Practical Shooting is the easiest route to a section 1 shotgun, they were later allowed for control of vermin species by many police forces, some like Mersyside are still very reluctant to give them out for vermin. Guys this is not a competition here, we are all shooters, I shoot many different disciplines but SOME people only ever see what they do as a valid shooting sport. please open your minds and try something new every now and then, you might find something else you like. just an idea. N neil no offence taken mate you,ve been extremely helpful to me in past mate and i will get to bordergunz when time allows i,ve paid my membership cheers again mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Other good reason is vermin control however I see this as a less than convincing argument for a sec 1 shotgun but if the law allows it then good luck to you. N Also to clear up the vermin control comments I do just fine with an old three shot auto on pigeons but if you need to miss more times & the law allows you a high capacity gun for pest control then great, perhaps you missed the part in my post where I said " IF THE LAW ALLOWS IT THEN GOOD LUCK TO YOU I would hope that these statements would get more people off side with you, of course you have a right to do what you wish, but i do not think that you have a particularly good attitude, i have nothing against your form form of sport, it just is not my bag squire, and i wouldnt let my views about you reflect my feelings to your sport. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 i am happy with 2 or 3 shots why any more??get a rifle alot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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