dogfox Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 ok, im 16, big into hunting, am fully insured, member of a gun club and have a sgc, now i dont plan on getting it now, but sometime over the next 2 years, im going to apply for a fac, mostlikely a .17hmr, now im wondering, how easy will it be for me to get the fac or will they just deny it?, also, ive heard that the hmr is bad with wind being very light, but very accurate up to 200 yards with a very flat trajectory, which is what i want. now i have a legitimate reason to have it, (loads of foxes, and bunnies by the thousands that are shotgun shy) and am getting a gun cabinet in the next 4 weeks. Now im not too sure about what to get, a hmr or a .22?? can anyone offer any advice or suggestions on what i should get, and how id go about it. any help appreciated. DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) If you're a member of a gunclub, use theirs and see what you prephere. In my Opition, .17 and .22 are like Blondes and brunettes, everyone has there personal favorite and you can't be told which one is right for you, go out and see. Edited November 2, 2008 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) If you're a member of a gunclub, use theirs and see what you prephere. In my Opition, .17 and .22 are like Blondes and brunettes, everyone has there personal favorite and you can't be told which one is right for you, go out and see. our gun clubs are very different to the ones in the UK, its mostly farmers and about 2 to 3% are full time hunters, and none have HMRs! if you can believe that, thats the only problem really, i mean im paying about the same price for either, and i already have a scope so that will take a bit off the price, is it true about the wind effecting the hmr massivly? Edited November 2, 2008 by dogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Wind does effect HMR alot more than it does .22, that is true, it's not massive, but enough to make you miss your target, or make a huge mess of things. Now, I might come under a bit of fire for saying this, but... .22 Is a working mans gun, It's for the sort of person who will take it out no matter what the weather, mainly because they have too (say, a Gamekeeper) .177 Is. more of a ''hobby'' gun, for the sort of chap who can pick the nice days to go out in. Also, the meat damage from a .22 is more workable, where as you will be pretty sure what ever you hit (excluding foxes) will be dead with a .177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 well its going to be taken out in all weathers, im not that sort of person! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 dogfox, if i were you id go for the .22! i agree with bleeh here, but dont want to start another .17 vs .22 argument! if you want a no fuss, cheap, tough as old boots gun go for a CZ .22!! will do all you need plus more. cracking little first gun, cheap to buy and cheap ammunition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Also since your young I would think you arent fullyemployed so since a box of 50 rounds for a 22= £2,50 and a Box of 50 17 HMR = £12 its an easy choice lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted November 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 dogfox, if i were you id go for the .22! i agree with bleeh here, but dont want to start another .17 vs .22 argument! if you want a no fuss, cheap, tough as old boots gun go for a CZ .22!! will do all you need plus more. cracking little first gun, cheap to buy and cheap ammunition! thanks for the replies guys, was thinking of a second hand CZ silhouette or something like that, i think ill go with the rimmie seeing as i dont have much cash and would be more likely to get licenced. DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Both the 22LR and 17 HMR are "Rimmie's" hehe just have some differences. Also if you intend to keep/eat what you shoot the 22 is better. The 17 HMR is kinda for blowing stuff to hell haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Wind does effect HMR alot more than it does .22, that is true, it's not massive, but enough to make you miss your target, or make a huge mess of things. Now, I might come under a bit of fire for saying this, but... .22 Is a working mans gun, It's for the sort of person who will take it out no matter what the weather, mainly because they have too (say, a Gamekeeper) .177 Is. more of a ''hobby'' gun, for the sort of chap who can pick the nice days to go out in. Also, the meat damage from a .22 is more workable, where as you will be pretty sure what ever you hit (excluding foxes) will be dead with a .177 ok its a .17 not .177 secondly the wind is a myth, at 70 yards you'll find shoot both side by side that you get more deflection from the slower and larger .22 round. Where the myth starts is that you start shooting things at 150 yards with the HMR where wind becomes an issue so its simple if its windy just restrict the range you shoot at. Meat damage wise well its a very accurate round if you use the entire rabbit then go for head shots, in practice there isn't that much on the front end so it doesn't bother me too much. With the HMR its more like shooting a mini centre fire and it does have a crack to it but that doesn't tend to bother the average rabbit. The .22 is cheap to run and quiet but with that comes the limits of range and ricochets, I've got both but the .22 hardly comes out as I have to halve the range I shoot at and worry about hold over and loopy trajectory. I can also assure you my gun comes out whatever the weather may cost more to run but no different to shooting a shotgun cost wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 (edited) ok its a .17 not .177 secondly the wind is a myth Yes, and it's also Bore, not Gauge, Shooting/stalking/ferreting/wildfowling (ect.) not 'hunting' and Cartridge, not shell. But, he knew what I meant, so does it really matter?. Furthermore, I disagree with what you say about the wind, it is effected, even if it is by 1-2 cm at 50 yards, that is still enough to move a head shot to a messy body shot with the .17. And, let's not lie here, there also bloody noisy. Edit: but no different to shooting a shotgun cost wise I'm pretty sure that 12b cartridges are quiet a bit cheaper than .17HMR Edited November 3, 2008 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 I'm guesing Bleeh hasn't got a .17 HMR. Total rubbish re the 50 yard comment. I was shooting end on 12G empties without missing the other day at 75 yards with mine and it was pretty windy.... Now what diameter is a 12 G's base?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 lets not make this into an argument! but i see valid points in all your posts, Thanks for all the replies and help given! i think ill be going with the .22 for cost wise and the fact that its far quieter. DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 good choice dogfox, you cant go wrong with a .22 and the CZ silhouette is a awesome little rifle, should be able to get a full setup for around 200-300 inc scope, mod and gun second hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted November 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 thanks curly, ive got a scope already that i picked up for about 30 euros ages ago!, its got a mil dot reticle, target grade turrets and mounts, not sure of the make though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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