jonnyoftheboy Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Gents.... I have checked previous posts & know that similar questions have been asked in the past..... so apologise for asking again, but was looking for uptodate opinion..... I am looking at getting a serious competition gun around Easter next year....... I currently shoot a Beretta & has been the gun make that I have preferred (also shot Browning/& miroku)..... but am not that experienced.... I have read posts on here...... read reviews.... & handled both guns but only in a shop! I have some questions, that any constructive responses would be welcome: 1. Opinion on either gun from those who actually own one? (I see the Blaser is the "essex gun of choice"! ) (if you own one, what made you go for that gun over any other?) 2. Buy new or 2nd hand? (Obviously 2nd hand is cheaper..... but is it same to when buying a new car? better feeling new, but depreciation a killer???) 3. According to some posts on this forum, there seemed to be some small quality issues with Blaser, sorted now? Hence maybe a guide to answering qu.2 (in fairness, looked at some couple of year posts from a guy who worked at Potters & he said there were some poor examples of DT10's were also coming through from Beretta....) 4. Where can I go to buy either, that would let me actually shoot both guns on a ground to compare..... is there such a place??? any recommendation? 5. If I can find such a place in qu. 4, I assume that I could have a proper gun fit there? Or do I get a gun fit done somewhere else & take info/"measurements" with me? I know the gun is only as good as the shooter behind it...... but want to get the best gun that I can afford.... & then practice like **** over a long period to get good at this sport. Any advice greatfully received Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 If you are spending DT10 money, you would be very wise to also consider a Perazzi and a Browning B25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 1. I could have bought any gun. I went to a shop and picked up every gun to see how they felt - previously I was a die hard Beretta fan. The blaser was light, well balanced and pointy and made the Beretta DT10 feel very heavy and cumbersome. Some people however like a heavy gun (Browning fans for example). Not all blasers are the same - I picked up all 10 in the shop (they had a delivery that morning) and I found one that was (in my view) the best balance and fit. I have since picked up half a dozen or so blasers and none feel as good as mine - ask LV. 2. try before you buy anything. If a second hand one fits and suits then buy it. The warranties on blasers a bomb proof. 3. there were some issues with early guns but my experience is that anything that goes wrong gets swapped out for new and improved under warranty. I have only had one issue with my gun which gets used and abused on a weekly basis and it was back to me with a new action within a week. 4. Essex Gun have the biggest selection of Blasers and top end guns you seek - go in and have a play. Speak to Alan though. 5. Buy one that fits - many people waste hours of their lives messing with gun fit and tinkering with adjustable this that and the others. Find one off the shelf that fits you unless you are a strange size or shape. We will probably be down at JJs and Hawley this Sunday if you want to meet up and have a go on my one, provided of course you are not a mentalist etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyoftheboy Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Mungler thanks very much for the post..... I would love to take you up on the offer of meeting at JJ's, but cannot make this sunday (the run up to xmas at the weekends is a bit of a nightmare for me). If the offer is still open in the new year, would love to..... so do let me know. will essex gun physically let me take the gun out? as essex gun is only a shop, not a ground? i assume not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyoftheboy Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 baldrick...... looks like more hours on the internet then..... www.per....... I assume essex gun would have perazzi's & browning B25's? so could get to see them all in one place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seisobs Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I have a 23" DT 10, lovely gun but I don't like it as I mainly shoot from a hide, it's just to long. Anyway, it's for sale £1900 at Cluny clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seisobs Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I have a 23" DT 10, lovely gun but I don't like it as I mainly shoot from a hide, it's just to long.Anyway, it's for sale £1900 at Cluny clays. Make that 32" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 baldrick...... looks like more hours on the internet then..... www.per....... I assume essex gun would have perazzi's & browning B25's? so could get to see them all in one place? Essex Gun have the lot including a good stock of Kreighoffs. They don't have a ground and I doubt very much that they would let you take any of their high end guns out of the shop for a play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyoftheboy Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 that's what I thought.... shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I too have a Blaser and IMO it is by far the finest competition gun around. it feels very light but actually weighs 8lb 2oz. It is perfectly balanced (for me) and goes exactly where I am looking. I have tried and owned many different guns and have never had one like this. A friend I shoot with has an S06 EELL and it is awful in comparison. That said it is very much down to personal choice and as Mungler says F3's are meant to be all the same but they are not. Try as many as you can. Oxford gun co. will let you try before you buy I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I have an F3 also and like MC says although they do feel light when you pick them up in reality there not. It's just how they feel when you shoot them. Mine shoots exactly where you look and that's why I like it also for an O/U recoil levels are quite low. I don't think that you will receive better back up anywhere if you need it than Alan Rhones' if it needs an update it will be given one for free. A friend of mine has a very nice DT10 and I've shot it once or twice and it feels OK but my F3 for me handles better. The trigger feel is not as good as an F3 and it tends to feel a bit more"numb" than the Blaser. It.s up to you really what you like best and which one you are more comfortable with. With the price that they both are now I would look out for a "mint" used one rather than buy new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyoftheboy Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Guys.... many thanks for the replies, as a newbie.... they are much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomleatel Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 John forsey in Welling, Kent have a few Blaser's I think they were £1400 If you go there ask to speak to Phil, as he is very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Just to complicate things (sorry), consider Caeser Guerini. If I were to buy an expensive over and under, it would either be an F3 or a Caesar Guerini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Just to complicate things (sorry), consider Caeser Guerini. If I were to buy an expensive over and under, it would either be an F3 or a Caesar Guerini. I had a go on a Caesar Guerini a few months ago and was impressed. Do stick one of those on your list to try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Shot with a brand new F3 last Sun and have also shot a mates DT10 a fair bit, the Blaser is a fast handling gun very reminiscent of my old Winchester (possibly why MC took to one so quickly) and a fine piece of kit, the Beretta is IMO a very staid gun steady and purposefull not my cup of tea but that is purely personal preference. As others have said, go through the rack you never know you may just pick up a gun you had not previously considered and find it just seems right. Good hunting. PS If i wanted to confuse the issue even more I find the Fabarm Axis incredibly good value and eminently shootable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Funny you should mention a winchester TP, I had a select before I had the F£ and they couldn't have been more different. The select was barrel heavy and took a bit to get it swinging but once it was moving it didn't stop. The F3 is fast handling and suits an aggressive shooting style, not a laid back one. If that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyoftheboy Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 thanks Trussman... Tosspot.... can see this is not going to be an easy choice...! Thought I'd already done a bit of research....! now some more names creeping out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Funny you should mention a winchester TP, I had a select before I had the F£ and they couldn't have been more different. The select was barrel heavy and took a bit to get it swinging but once it was moving it didn't stop. The F3 is fast handling and suits an aggressive shooting style, not a laid back one. If that makes sense. Sorry MC but I have to disagree with the "aggressive style" bit. The Blaser is so responsive it can be shot any way you want it to. Try a long crosser using maintained lead you do not want to be aggressive on those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaseone Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Tony Manville has my boys upgraded F3 32 inch black action for sale. I hope this is not seen as an add,only trying to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyoftheboy Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Gents.... thanks for all the replies.... food for thought. Tomleatel.... yep, John Forsey has quite a few doesn't he? re. any guns currently for sale, thanks for letting me know guys.... but won't have the money (nor is there much point at present with my standard!) til easter next year.... will be burning the midnight oil looking into a few more makes..... & looks like a few more visits to further afield gun shops to take a look... cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Sorry MC but I have to disagree with the "aggressive style" bit. The Blaser is so responsive it can be shot any way you want it to. Try a long crosser using maintained lead you do not want to be aggressive on those. Yes you are right, maybe aggressive was the wrong word. I find them fast handling and responsive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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