TheHunter Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I have a .243 on an open FAC but I have just been told that to buy an Airsoft toy rifle, I MUST BE A REGULAR ATTENDING MEMBER OF AN INSURED TOY GUN CLUB. What utter madness is this? Which brainless government moron believes this is an effective method of reducing violent crime? I can still buy a real air rifle or pistol but not a toy one. Imbeciles Do you think it is a legitimate step towards reducing violent crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I must admit its a weight off my mind that now Airsoft guns are 'banned', if a dirty little oik sticks a gun in my face i can thank Hazel Blears that im more likely going to get shot by a bullet now instead of a BB (!) Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) Wow so they are saying that an airsoft toy gun is more dangerous than my air rifle which can punch through solid aluminium at 30 yards. Geez "white is black black is white". Let me get this straight they want you to get a licence for an Airsoft while my .22 cal air bought from the shop with no documentation is 10 times more dangerous. Edited December 9, 2008 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laf Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 yep lol question for u all say u own a shop and i think i ok i am going to do a job on u knowing the dif between air rifle and bb gun which would u rather have in your face thats what i thought an airsoft so lets make it harder for people to get hold ov them thats the goverments thinking for u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POW! Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Who knows what is next on their list!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 There is more to this madness, you can still buy airsoft guns as long as its in a "non gun" colour, so a pink one is legal to buy just as before, perhaps the politicians have not heard of duracoat N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Hey nothing wrong with a pink gun. Then again, what next? Air rifles illegal unless painted bright orange, green or pink? ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I have a .243 on an open FAC but I have just been told that to buy an Airsoft toy rifle, I MUST BE A REGULAR ATTENDING MEMBER OF AN INSURED TOY GUN CLUB. What utter madness is this? Which brainless government moron believes this is an effective method of reducing violent crime? I can still buy a real air rifle or pistol but not a toy one. Imbeciles Do you think it is a legitimate step towards reducing violent crime? That is not strictly true though is it? You need to have a valid reason for owning said rifle or pistol. It will not reduce gun crime because the perportrators of the gun crime are not law abiding and they know where to buy the real stuff illegally. However if it stops the odd foolish teenager from being shot by the police, or prevents a little old lady from being intimidated in the street then it is good as far as I am concerned. While I am not wanting to knock another shooting sport does it really matter if an airsoft gun is bright pink? If my target rifle had to be a bright colour to make it legal then so be it. My semi auto shotgun that I use for wildfowling would be a completely different arguement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laf Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) However if it stops the odd foolish teenager from being shot by the police, or prevents a little old lady from being intimidated in the street then it is good as far as I am concerned. a weapon is a weapon in my eyes weather its airsoft or the real deal if its pulled like this and a police markman puts some lead between his eyes then so be it a teenager should know better my 6 year old know that you have to respect a weapon and i teach her how to defend aganist knife attack just in case with this world u always have to be on the look out Edited December 9, 2008 by laf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 "That is not strictly true though is it? You need to have a valid reason for owning said rifle or pistol. It will not reduce gun crime because the perportrators of the gun crime are not law abiding and they know where to buy the real stuff illegally. " Hmm they surely never asked me why I need an air rifle when I bought mine. Maybe you meant a rifle or air rifle needing a firearm certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 my only issue with this is that it may now cause those who would have been "content" to carry and wave an airsoft or replica about to now look to carrying a real gun if the hassle of getting one is the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 While I am not wanting to knock another shooting sport does it really matter if an airsoft gun is bright pink? If my target rifle had to be a bright colour to make it legal then so be it. My semi auto shotgun that I use for wildfowling would be a completely different arguement. An airsoft gun needs to be its 'true' colour for exactly the same reason as you would want your wildfowling gun to be black/camo. The majority of games played in airsoft involve scenarios where camoflauge is required, its not like paintballing where everyone just charges from one end of a field to the other and there are little if any 'tactics'. Games can be 1hr, 2hr or even all day long, so sitting in a bush with a luminous green gun isn't going to give you much of a chance of remaining undetected! Also a large part of Airsoft is the recreation side of things so having kit that matches real units in the army etc is important, unless serving forces are going to swap to day-glo orange furniture on their rifles its going to lose that side of it too! My brother is a keen Airsofter and his 'squad' all wear authentic WWII American GI kit so a bright pink Thompson would look pretty daft! With the way things are going in this country re guns and what was originally proposed in the VCRB i think the Airsofters managed to pull something of coup off. Aside from now having to be a member of an airsoft site their sport has got away relatively unmolested, we could learn a lesson from the united front that was displayed and the formation of a single governing body from the half dozen or so that existed before the VCRB. I think the government thought it was going to be able to steam roll another 'minority' sport and they got a shock from the response! Of course in saying the above i think its important to remember that the type of guns that are misused are NOT the type used in Airsoft games. Considering the high performance airsoft guns that are required for competitive gaming cost between £200 - £2000 (their are guns out there £8k+!), they are hardly likely to be used when you can get a knock off pistol from a market stall for £5! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 my only issue with this is that it may now cause those who would have been "content" to carry and wave an airsoft or replica about to now look to carrying a real gun if the hassle of getting one is the same... I'm thinking the same thing too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) Airsoft pistol shooting is now being used by the IPSC for training shooters in the use of real pistols for competition, in some countries like the UK & Japan which have bans in place some competitions are being run under IPSC guidance, competitors are then able to practice many of the drills needed to compete on the world match circuit & gain backing from UKPSA who will vouch that you are safe to enter IPSC practical pistol matches abroad. The best part is you can practice almost anywhere & dont need a range to do it. I have used an airsoft glock 17 to keep my hand in prior to traveling to foreign matches & then borrow/rent a pistol when you get there, a few of us from the UK did this in July 08 for the German Open 3gun match & some to UK guys went to Bali to represent the UK at the World Shoot in November 08 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTgEmAZEms We used a Glock 17 pistol an AR15 rifle & took our own section 1 shotguns to what was a great weekend & sharing a beer or two with the locals who looked after us well. Here is Taren Buttler a top pistol shooter from the USA trying it out, the shooting is towards the end. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Ka-BCxGk0 And here he is in his day job... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dstFMC3UqM0&...feature=related N Edited December 9, 2008 by neil smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltashshooter Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 the laws are ridiculous especially on the web as i can get hold of machetes knives some form of mild explosives axes Crossbows with my savings card ( i can use it on chip & pin aswell ) all of this illegaly but easily- i have bought a knife but that was for my dads birthday. but i cant get an air pistol says it all really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Nah, you'd look perfectly normal out in the field, just like these two :( On a serious note, I think they're doing the colour thing so that the police don't keep shooting people who are holding a harmless gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltashshooter Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) i dont even wanna know how you got that pic :( Edited December 12, 2008 by Saltashshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Lordy, no wonder my brother doesn't want the luminous gun this to become mandatory! :( With regard to the Police shooting people with Airsoft guns, soory but if you're stupid enough to point a gun, real or not, at an armed officer you deserve what you get. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 On a serious note, I think they're doing the colour thing so that the police don't keep shooting people who are holding a harmless gun. Just cos its pink doesnt mean its friendly http://blog.riflegear.com/archive/2007/12/...s-cute-and.aspx N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I have a .243 on an open FAC but I have just been told that to buy an Airsoft toy rifle, I MUST BE A REGULAR ATTENDING MEMBER OF AN INSURED TOY GUN CLUB. What utter madness is this? Which brainless government moron believes this is an effective method of reducing violent crime? I can still buy a real air rifle or pistol but not a toy one. Imbeciles Do you think it is a legitimate step towards reducing violent crime? Are you suggesting that it would be better to have airsoft on FAC then? Does being a legitimate law abiding FAC holder reduce violent crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 (edited) Just cos its pink doesnt mean its friendly Oh no, do look closer at the photo... The magazine certainly isn't full off bb's! However I can't see gangs managing to secure a gun of the continent and it arrives and looks like that! Edited December 12, 2008 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fo5ter Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 even if this one was hello kitty you still wouldnt mess with this guy! So if someone runs around with a brightly coloured firearm the police marksman wont shoot you? Methinks we need to keep this one a secret from London gangs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 OK let me clear things up. As an AVID airsofter I am more than familiar with the recent VCRB which came into effect last October. In order to buy RIF's (Realistic Imitation Firearms) you must be eligible to avail of one of the few defences granted to Airsofters, Museums or Re-enactment societies. In order to be able to buy RIF's (which includes blank firers) you can either take up airsoft skirmishing which involves playing more than twice over a period of OVER two months or; join a re-enactment society and be able to proove it. Unless you have a museum in your garden you can forget about that lol. After you have completed your trial period of airsofting, you then become eligible to get registered with UKARA (United Kingdom Airsoft Retailers Association). This then entitles you to buy black airsoft guns and blank firers, rather than two-tone guns. Most of which are painted green or blue. By all means these guns are not toys. They are full 1:1 replicas of the real firearm, and to the untrained eye they would be indistinguishable, even at close range. Hence the reason for limiting their availability to the responsible enthusiasts. I can understand people with real firearms getting a bit grubby over this, but imagine robbing a shop with a BSA Lightning. A weapons expert would be able to tell whether or not it was an airgun, toy or real firearm. Now imagine robbing a shop with a full metal UZI airsoft gun which hasn't been painted a bright colour? I can tell you now that 9 times out of 10 an armed response unit would not be able to tell the difference, and the other 10% would probably have just guessed. Sorry for the detailed reply, but it's something I feel strongly about. Any other questions feel free to ask. Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 As I said before, rather than robbing shops with airsoft guns its probably easier to pick up a real gun and use that instead. people will always carry out armed hold-ups and personally I would rather they had access to £30 replicas to do the job than deciding to use a real gun instead. with an airsoft, no-one is going to get hurt other than the criminal. which is fine in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 As above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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